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Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by morelisp »

anon373839 wrote: post #88
jquery wrote: post #55

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Capitalizing the "B" in "Black" is not some kind of reverse racism or a ploy to elevate one race above another. This is fundamentally about granting a basic level of recognition and respect to a community that has been uniquely disenfranchised. Their identity and history were forcibly taken from them due to the slave trade. They can't point to a specific nationality like "Japanese," "German," or "British" with a capi…

I don’t think you’re being totally honest about the double standard of this. Imagine that some people (with benign intentions) wanted to capitalize White to claim a cultural identity. After all, most whites in the US have lost the distinct European identities their ancestors had. Do you think this movement would be met with acceptance and support? I think these kinds of double standards are what make the culture wars…

> Imagine that some people (with benign intentions) wanted to capitalize White to claim a cultural identity. After all, most whites in the US have lost the distinct European identities their ancestors had. Do you think this movement would be met with acceptance and support?

"Acceptance and support" is subjective, but this is a fairly common orthographic style which has been discussed at length.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/time-to-ca...

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by [deleted] »

threeseed wrote: post #98
tomjen3 wrote: post #76

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You don't speak for everyone in the technology industry. And you don't get to choose what everyone will or should do. Therefore you really need to be tolerant of people's different versions of "truth" and assume that they are acting in good faith.

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Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by bitcharmer »

nebula8804 wrote: post #74
Akronymus wrote: post #48

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IMO the newest wave of racism stems from the blowback to racist policies like affirmative action and similar. (for example, stipends only gor certain races and such)

We are talking about a % of a minority position since only ~38% of Americans have a bachelors degree or higher. How many people really care about this issue given that majority of people in the country don't even have/did not pursue a degree from one of these institutions that had affirmative action policies.

So we don't care about that because it's a minority, right?

Oh, the irony :)

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by orlp »

blueflow wrote: post #71
tomlockwood wrote: post #16

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Its not a trivial change, git actually doesn't have an default branch, it is actually just the remote HEAD. And its not possible to git push that information. Thats also why all the manuals about changing the "default branch" require setting some select box in the WebUI. I do maintain a git mirror chain with several pulls/pushes in a row and the whole master/main thing has been a pain in the ass. And both sides in th…

A default branch absolutely exists, it's what you get when you git init.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by woodpanel »

sleiben wrote: post #40
racked wrote: post #13

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The «master» to «main» change was totally unnecessary and B.S. imho. Even 15 years ago, when I started my professional journey (in Germany) there were a lot of people who were gay, trans and so on in the dev community … and nobody cared about it. We were all passioned about technologies and respected each other based on commitment/engagement/skill level. At the end most of the true full blood developers were always «…

> and nobody cared about it

you see, this is the gift of American progressive cultural imperialism.

Suddenly, the only historiography that can exist in the world is that of American trustafarians who try to minimize their shame of being born wealthy heirs of the slave-owner class by spreading the shame on white immigrants that arrived way after slavery got disbanded.

And once you set the precedence that you can at will shame innocent people - the majority of white Americans - into obedience even though it’s technically impossible that their ancestors had anything to do with slavery… well then why stop at Americans at all?

Now its every European country and culture that has to subvert itself to the viewpoint of Ivy league grads.

Brownfacing, Blackfacing, minstrelshows, Kuklux you name it - it doesn’t matter what Poles could possibly have to do with it, or Germans or Swedes - you are all guilty by being born white.

God bless America.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by safety1st »

racked wrote: post #13

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I was really confused when I read this comment. Because to my recollection, capitalizing Black was something that went back as far as the civil rights movement. I think I remember it being a thing that Malcolm X emphasized as a matter of getting all people who had black skin and were oppressed, to identify with a common racial and cultural heritage. At the time there was a dichotomy between Malcom X and MLK Jr. because MLK was okay with the word negro and Malcolm X wanted that to fall out of use.

So wait that is offensive/wrongthink now? What is the rationale? Or am I misremembering the history? Happy to be corrected if so.

This is a big part of my issue with whatever Internet race/gender/identity outrage is dujour, people will go straight for the throat and start accusing each other of being literal Nazis over essentially semantics that are going to change every generation anyawy. I'm all for civil rights and equality under the law and happily show up to actual protests over those things, but I think a lot of this semantic stuff is cared about mostly by people who went to a fancy college and are trying to virtue signal.

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by blueflow »

orlp wrote: post #104
blueflow wrote: post #71

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Its not a trivial change, git actually doesn't have an default branch, it is actually just the remote HEAD. And its not possible to git push that information. Thats also why all the manuals about changing the "default branch" require setting some select box in the WebUI. I do maintain a git mirror chain with several pulls/pushes in a row and the whole master/main thing has been a pain in the ass. And both sides in th…

A default branch absolutely exists, it's what you get when you git init.

Yes, but thats a recent addition and is not related to the git clone behavior that people call "default branch".

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by bangkoksbest »

willcipriano wrote: post #96
fxd123 wrote: post #10

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> Wouldn't it be more effective to pursue criminal charges against the individuals directly responsible? No, since criminal conviction has a higher threshold

Yes, it requires evidence.

The standard for civil cases is literally "a preponderance of the evidence"...

Re: Tesla sued for severe harassment of black workers at California plant

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Post by bitcharmer »

threeseed wrote: post #59
tticvs wrote: post #37

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I'd never hire a software engineer who tried to make major disruptive changes to play meaningless language games and score social status points.

It may be meaningless to you. But it's not meaningless to other people. Now you can choose not to care about their opinion and be dismissive of their integrity by claiming it's only for social status. But you're never going to hire the best engineers if that's the approach you take. I've worked with some of the very best in the industry and never seen anyone do great things by being intolerant of people.

> I've worked with some of the very best in the industry and never seen anyone do great things by being intolerant of people

Same here. It's my 23rd year as a software engineer and I'm lucky to be a part of this crowd. Tonnes of tolerant, talented, brilliant people.

Being tolerant doesn't however doesn't mean we like being subjected to bullshit like the master -> main change.

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