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Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by rayiner »

cmarschner wrote: post #23

This is absolutely the right direction to take. Ambitious programs are hollowed out since voters get angry and shift to conspiracy theories and populist parties to maintain their lavish lifestyle. CO2 emissions worldwide are still growing every year. This is painful to watch as western countries have started programs for reduction a long time ago - but they are vaporized by the strongly growing emissions by Asian cou…

Having unelected judges dictate important economic policy instead of elected politicians is the “right direction to take?” Do you see how attitudes like that might be contributing to the rise of “populist parties?”

Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by ethanbond »

gwervc wrote: post #30
Krssst wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would lose because the response was appropriate with the given information at the time. (and the lower risk we enjoy today is thanks to vaccination and natutal immunity of the survivors).

It totally wasn't, and countries that had less heavy-handed responses such as Japan and most African countries didn't have a significantly worse outcome than the one that took dictatorship-like measures. On the other hand the negative effects of those policies are very strong, and for some ery visible. For instance France's debt skyrocketed from 100% to about 120% of GDP in a single year. Then there is impact on ment…

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Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by wcoenen »

cmarschner wrote: post #23

This is absolutely the right direction to take. Ambitious programs are hollowed out since voters get angry and shift to conspiracy theories and populist parties to maintain their lavish lifestyle. CO2 emissions worldwide are still growing every year. This is painful to watch as western countries have started programs for reduction a long time ago - but they are vaporized by the strongly growing emissions by Asian cou…

Cumulative emissions by country: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-co-emissions

Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by cmarschner »

rayiner wrote: post #31
cmarschner wrote: post #23

This is absolutely the right direction to take. Ambitious programs are hollowed out since voters get angry and shift to conspiracy theories and populist parties to maintain their lavish lifestyle. CO2 emissions worldwide are still growing every year. This is painful to watch as western countries have started programs for reduction a long time ago - but they are vaporized by the strongly growing emissions by Asian cou…

Having unelected judges dictate important economic policy instead of elected politicians is the “right direction to take?” Do you see how attitudes like that might be contributing to the rise of “populist parties?”

Unfortunately our democracies have a blind eye when it comes to internalizing external costs and executing on policies that might take 20, 30 years to get implemented. It is a process with many setbacks every other election cycle. This is one place where a king or queen actually makes sense - their interest is to leave a heritage for their firstborn. But even monarchs need to fear the wrath of the people when they do it, and besides, they might be too stupid.

Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by joe__f »

claytongulick wrote: post #20
joe__f wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.climaterealityproject.org/blog/global-wildfires-...

Like I said, climate histeria. The cause of wildfires is much more complex than "global warming". It involves forestry, proper maintenance, water management and many other things up to and including fires that are set by climate activists [1]. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/radical-environmentalis...

What's your point exactly? Climate change is an important factor in causing more wildfires, and it's going to get worse. Wildfires are only one example. We have to convice the wealthy and powerful people who make the decisions to act on it now. No-one is suggesting that we can ignore the other factors that you mentioned.

Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by ImJamal »

rootusrootus wrote: post #29
pyuser583 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Young people are two years behind because schools were unnecessarily closed. That should be a lawsuit right there.

This does not square with my experience. I have school-age children (currently 5th and 7th grade) and they are not behind. The year everyone came back to on-premise school was rough, certainly, but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine. There's a huge amount of repetition in primary and secondary school curriculum anyway.

>but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine

There are millions of non-normal kids.

Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by catgirlinspace »

gwervc wrote: post #30
Krssst wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They would lose because the response was appropriate with the given information at the time. (and the lower risk we enjoy today is thanks to vaccination and natutal immunity of the survivors).

It totally wasn't, and countries that had less heavy-handed responses such as Japan and most African countries didn't have a significantly worse outcome than the one that took dictatorship-like measures. On the other hand the negative effects of those policies are very strong, and for some ery visible. For instance France's debt skyrocketed from 100% to about 120% of GDP in a single year. Then there is impact on ment…

From my understanding, Japan didn’t have as big of a response because it’s already normal in their culture to wear a mask when sick.

Re: Climate change: Six young people take 32 countries to court

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Post by junofan »

rmah wrote: post #9
pauldenton wrote: post #3

I want to see young people take countries to court for their Covid response. The mass quarantine of healthy people is unprecedented. We've quarantined the sick for hundreds if not thousands of years like Typhoid Mary. Quarantining healthy young people who are not at risk in response to a pandemic has never been done before.

Um, mass quarantines of healthy people is not unprecedented. It was, in fact quite common through history when outbreaks seemed to be getting out of control. First they'd quarantine families. Then neighborhoods. Then entire cities. In fact, during the pre-industrial times, entire cities would be quarantined and sometimes, if anyone tried to escape, they would be executed. While a reasonable arguments can be made abou…

Quarantine means 40 days. We had kids out of classrooms for 2+ years.
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