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Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by cf141q5325 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #19
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #7

The hypocrisy here is amusing. Interestingly also that piracy is de facto legal in many EU countries, at least as far as individuals downloading.

>piracy is de facto legal in many EU countries, at least as far as individuals downloading It's not legal, just the police in most countries have bigger fish to fry than people downloading mp3s and blu-ray rips. But, try pirating content in Germany and you're guarantee to receive an angry letter with a fine from some crooked law office, threatening to sue you on behalf of the IP holder if you don't pay the fine. It's…

Germany has quite the difference between file sharing and streaming. Copyright lawyers got their initial foot into the door through people also uploading during torrenting.

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by fluoridation »

OfSanguineFire wrote: post #16
usrbinbash wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It started as a scare tactic that goes back all the way to when people "pirated" music by recording radio on tape. The idea was to turn public opinion against copyright infringement by using terminology associated with violent crimes, such as piracy and robbery. Ofc it backfired spectacularly, with the "pirating" community adopting the term and reveling in it. Who could have known that using a term that the general p…

The use of "pirate" for copyright infringement goes back to at least the 19th century and was originally used of books. By the time taping off radio started, the term was already well entrenched.

Apparently this usage goes at least as far back as the 18th century!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#%22Pira...

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by alibarber »

chongli wrote: post #29
OfSanguineFire wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of "pirate" for copyright infringement goes back to at least the 19th century and was originally used of books. By the time taping off radio started, the term was already well entrenched.

This is especially weird because there’s another usage of pirate in the form of “pirate radio.” This refers to radio stations that broadcast illegally, without a license. They also have a kind of swashbuckling reputation!

In the strictest sense the didn't broadcast illegally because they were at sea outside of the jurisdiction of any country.

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by bux93 »

Final part of the article: "The Advocate General’s Opinion is not binding on the Court of Justice. It is the role of the Advocates General to propose to the Court, in complete independence, a legal solution to the cases for which they are responsible. The Judges of the Court are now beginning their deliberations in this case. Judgment will be given at a later date."

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by luluganeta »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #19
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #7

The hypocrisy here is amusing. Interestingly also that piracy is de facto legal in many EU countries, at least as far as individuals downloading.

>piracy is de facto legal in many EU countries, at least as far as individuals downloading It's not legal, just the police in most countries have bigger fish to fry than people downloading mp3s and blu-ray rips. But, try pirating content in Germany and you're guarantee to receive an angry letter with a fine from some crooked law office, threatening to sue you on behalf of the IP holder if you don't pay the fine. It's…

In Portugal there is an exception for copying copyrighted material for personal and noncommercial purposes.

The lobby does try to twist the letter of the law to serve their interest, but it is legal

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by Aeolun »

MauranKilom wrote: post #13

Assuming there is no material misrepresentation of how this system operates, I would find it hard to argue that it is disproportionate to keep record of an IP address that somehow makes publicly available a file with copyrighted contents. I too would, from a pure self-interest perspective, like to share e.g. media with impunity, but for the sake of evaluating this opinion it's not reasonable to assume a position wher…

Keeping track of the IP address is one thing, but then using your ISP’s database to link this back to a person with the intention of holding this over their head if you ever need to sounds like a form of extortion to me.

Or is it fine when it’s the state doing it?

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by Joker_vD »

GTP wrote: post #26
Propelloni wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is hard to argue against your position. TFA expounds that storing data required to prosecute a crime is proportionate. That sounds reasonable and hard to argue. In my eyes there are two points, however, that could be argued. 1) The data retention duration. France is holding some data sets for 13 years now without a charge forthcoming. I'm no expert on French law (or law in general) but it being a full-fledged libe…

> To be not a serious crime it must fail to be a crime or to be serious. I think both positions can be argued, albeit being serious seems to be easier to unhinge.. AFAIK something qualifies as a crime if the law says you can get a jail sentence for it (and vice versa). So it's not something you can argue in favour or against, you just have to look at the current legislation. But you still got a point for the seriousn…

Crime is basically anything that's listed in special part of the criminal code (the general part talks mostly about the definitions and criminal procedure and also contains this provision; the special part is the actual list of crimes with punishments which don't have to include jail time to sill be considered crimes).

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by beej71 »

usrbinbash wrote: post #11
knallfrosch wrote: post #2

And I thought the "pirates" referred to armed people in boats capturing cargo ships, not copyright infringers.

It started as a scare tactic that goes back all the way to when people "pirated" music by recording radio on tape. The idea was to turn public opinion against copyright infringement by using terminology associated with violent crimes, such as piracy and robbery. Ofc it backfired spectacularly, with the "pirating" community adopting the term and reveling in it. Who could have known that using a term that the general p…

Nowadays it's looking a lot more like Robin Hood the outlaw rather than Blackbeard, with movie studios, record labels, and book publishers taking up the roles of Prince John, The Sheriff of Nottingham, and Sir Guy.

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by smashah »

The big argument against piracy is that it doesn't allow people to get paid for their work, however, with these recent Hollywood strikes and how people are getting paid $0.08 residuals I don't see how piracy makes anyone any worse off.

Arguably donating $50 to a writer and pirating everything is better than paying $100s to these streaming services.

Maybe WGA SAG AFTRA should make their own subscription called the "pirate pass" where pirates can pay the people directly for their work without all the overhead. If I was a pirate I'd $50 a month to get a pass.

Re: Disclosure of Pirates’ Identities “Compatible with EU Privacy Laws”

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Post by Kye »

smashah wrote: post #39

The big argument against piracy is that it doesn't allow people to get paid for their work, however, with these recent Hollywood strikes and how people are getting paid $0.08 residuals I don't see how piracy makes anyone any worse off. Arguably donating $50 to a writer and pirating everything is better than paying $100s to these streaming services. Maybe WGA SAG AFTRA should make their own subscription called the "pi…

The whole point of the strike was to fix this. And they got what they wanted when the studios came back to the table after they saw how completely wrecked Drew Barrymore got in the press and by the public when she scabbed.
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