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You frame this like its a grand plan by the globalists to usher in a NWO. We know the conspiratorial MO. No surprises here.
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> Perhaps they should immolate themselves For what it's worth, the only time I've ever gotten scolded by DanG was for a tongue-in-cheek reference to voluntary suicide that was a lot more subtle than this. Suggesting folks set themselves on fire is going a bit far.
You're right. I'll probably get the naughty stick again for that. It would end their emissions of CO2 though.
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#23This is absolutely the right direction to take. Ambitious programs are hollowed out since voters get angry and shift to conspiracy theories and populist parties to maintain their lavish lifestyle.
CO2 emissions worldwide are still growing every year. This is painful to watch as western countries have started programs for reduction a long time ago - but they are vaporized by the strongly growing emissions by Asian countries [1].
China has a very ambitious program and will likely peak in the coming years - not being bound by short-sighted election cycles. But India is another story.
We must all realize that within our lifetimes, we need a proscription on _extraction_ of fossil fuels. Otherwise it would be a laughable attempt to collect the damage after it has occurred. And most likely, this needs to be done through the court system.
[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/276629/global-co2-emissi...
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Boomers tanked the economy No. Reckless spending by the Federal Government tanked the economy: https://www.aier.org/wp-content/webpc-passthru.php?src=https... Started under Bush after 9/11. Trump took it to a new level under Covid. Biden got behind the wheel and floored it.
Bush, Trump and Biden are all boomers, as were most people in congress. If you're blaming federal spending, it sounds like a reasonable statement to make that "boomers tanked the economy"?
> Bush, Trump and Biden are all boomers
Nitpick: Biden is silent generation, not boomer. And there are still 7 other silent generation members of congress.
It's been joked about before, but I think there is some truth to the idea that kids these days are now just calling everyone from starting with older Millenials on up a boomer. At this point I'd bet a fair number of them don't even know where the word boomer even comes from, it's just slang for old person.
The media made such a big deal about Generation X back in the day that it feels a little sad to get forgotten. I'm feeling less special by the day...
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You frame this like its a grand plan by the globalists to usher in a NWO. We know the conspiratorial MO. No surprises here.
What is the evidence against collusion delusion?
What part of my post, or wider argument, is incorrect?
Who funds GLAN?
How does 11-year old Mariana know what to say? How does she know helicopters-wildfires-climatechange-humanrights? Family, 'education', lawyers?
How can protection from climate change, at some unbounded cost (TBD by vested interests), possibly be declared a human right?
Change is inevitable. Nothing lasts forever. Humans adapt. Climate change is not a crisis. It is a slow chronic condition, not acute. It may cost some money. It will be fixed or ameliorated mostly by technology. The sky is not falling.
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#27I want to see young people take countries to court for their Covid response. The mass quarantine of healthy people is unprecedented. We've quarantined the sick for hundreds if not thousands of years like Typhoid Mary. Quarantining healthy young people who are not at risk in response to a pandemic has never been done before.
In Spain we were forced to stay at home and the order was later ruled unconstitutional and absolutely nothing happened.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Bush, Trump and Biden are all boomers, as were most people in congress. If you're blaming federal spending, it sounds like a reasonable statement to make that "boomers tanked the economy"?
No, blame the electorate, which has significant contributions from all generations (but decreasing Boomers now). There is a doom loop of (western) democracies voting themselves welfare, wars, lower taxes, various anti-market subsidies, stimmie checks, bread & circuses... Then have the central bank print trillions $£€¥ to cover the deficits (actually quadrillions for ¥¥). If something cannot go on forever, it will sto…
And who were the electorate? It went Silents, then Boomers, Xers, Millenials, Zoomers, and the next one A or Alpha might be starting (they don't have a slur yet). The pains of 2005-2012 and the decade of zero interest were brought about by the actions of Silents and Boomers and voted for by Silents, Boomers, and Xers in the years and decades preceeding.
Boomers are the obvious scapegoats. Who was the celebrity today I saw saying they wouldn't leave his children his $500M fortune? Mick Jagger I think. But rest of them are similar. "I won't leave my kids the house." "I'll spend everything I saved." "I got my first job walking in off the street making shoes so why don't you?" Now the government would steal large parts of these as though they didn't get a share when it was saved and the manufacturing has all been outsourced. But those things just happened. Nobody was behind them. Like a car runs into pedestrians with no driver at the wheel.
Having written all that I'm not sure whether you agree with my grandparent comment or not.
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#29I want to see young people take countries to court for their Covid response. The mass quarantine of healthy people is unprecedented. We've quarantined the sick for hundreds if not thousands of years like Typhoid Mary. Quarantining healthy young people who are not at risk in response to a pandemic has never been done before.
Young people are two years behind because schools were unnecessarily closed. That should be a lawsuit right there.
This does not square with my experience. I have school-age children (currently 5th and 7th grade) and they are not behind. The year everyone came back to on-premise school was rough, certainly, but most normal kids seem to have bounced back just fine. There's a huge amount of repetition in primary and secondary school curriculum anyway.
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#30I want to see young people take countries to court for their Covid response. The mass quarantine of healthy people is unprecedented. We've quarantined the sick for hundreds if not thousands of years like Typhoid Mary. Quarantining healthy young people who are not at risk in response to a pandemic has never been done before.
They would lose because the response was appropriate with the given information at the time. (and the lower risk we enjoy today is thanks to vaccination and natutal immunity of the survivors).
It totally wasn't, and countries that had less heavy-handed responses such as Japan and most African countries didn't have a significantly worse outcome than the one that took dictatorship-like measures.
On the other hand the negative effects of those policies are very strong, and for some ery visible. For instance France's debt skyrocketed from 100% to about 120% of GDP in a single year. Then there is impact on mental health, education, lowered public trust in the institutions etc. It's an absolute disaster with nothing to show for it.