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Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by fosk »

nabogh wrote: post #104
fosk wrote: post #100

So. Much. Noise. An update on Insomnia 8.x here: * Insomnia can be used locally-only with Scratch Pad. * Insomnia can be used with an account without sharing any data using Git Sync (the data is in your Git repository, wherever that is hosted). * Insomnia can be used with an account and without Git Sync in a fully end-to-end encrypted way (E2EE). Nobody can read your data. * Insomnia stores your account information i…

So have I lost the ability to have multiple workspaces without making an account?

To create multiple workspaces/projects, you need to create an account. When you create an account you can still work locally by:

- Enabling Git Sync which skips the cloud entirely and works with a 3rd party Git repository.

- Using Private Environments which are never synchronized in either Git or Insomnia Sync (cloud)

If you only have one collection, you can use Scratch Pad locally for that.

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by ineffyble »

fosk wrote: post #121
nabogh wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So have I lost the ability to have multiple workspaces without making an account?

To create multiple workspaces/projects, you need to create an account. When you create an account you can still work locally by: - Enabling Git Sync which skips the cloud entirely and works with a 3rd party Git repository. - Using Private Environments which are never synchronized in either Git or Insomnia Sync (cloud) If you only have one collection, you can use Scratch Pad locally for that.

Except that Git Sync has become a paid feature with this new version...

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by neuromute »

fosk wrote: post #120
LightFog wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“So. Much. Noise.“ This comes across as very dismissive of your user’s concerns. Maybe worth giving your ego a break for a few hours and embracing empathy for your users.

It's not about ego, it's about clarity and overall sustainability of the product. Reality is that Insomnia offers plenty of ways to still run locally, but now it does it in a sustainable way that allows us to improve the product even more. I forgot to add that users can also create "Private Environments" which are always local and never synchronized with Insomnia Sync (in the cloud) or Git Sync.

This was a very unwelcome surprise this morning when I sat down to work.

For what it's worth, I first switched to Insomnia from Postman, years ago, when they pulled a similar stunt.

Rest assured, although I created an account earlier (to gain access to my collections which simply seemed to disappear overnight), I'll be switching away from your product, so don't count that account creation as a win in your metrics. Not impressed with how this has been handled at all. It seems there are very few trustworthy companies in tech anymore.

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by ineffyble »

fosk wrote: post #100

So. Much. Noise. An update on Insomnia 8.x here: * Insomnia can be used locally-only with Scratch Pad. * Insomnia can be used with an account without sharing any data using Git Sync (the data is in your Git repository, wherever that is hosted). * Insomnia can be used with an account and without Git Sync in a fully end-to-end encrypted way (E2EE). Nobody can read your data. * Insomnia stores your account information i…

"Git is always an option when having an account"

When having a paid account, you mean.

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by pseudalopex »

helloanoop wrote: post #107
pseudalopex wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Fully offline. There is telemetry. And I didn't find opt in or even opt out code. > lightweight Could you quantify? I never saw a lightweight Electron app.

> There is telemetry. yes, its miniscule. one ping (and that too once in a day) that indicates that an anonymous user opened the app. No other usage details, micro interactions or anything else is tracked. Sure - in the future we will provide option to turn this off too. > Could you quantify? I never saw a lightweight Electron app. relatively, compared to the other electron monsters out there. You are definitely not…

Users decide what is miniscule. Everyone collecting data without consent thinks they are justified. And fully offline means fully offline. It is hard to trust false claims and defensiveness.

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by pseudalopex »

jicea wrote: post #103
pseudalopex wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it make any requests not directed by the user? Undisclosed telemetry is common in this space unfortunately.

No, you got what's you write. If you want, you can see the run curl's command, save it in a script and replay it without Hurl. You can check the source code here [1] [1]: https://github.com/Orange-OpenSource/hurl

Thank you!

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by pseudalopex »

fosk wrote: post #120
LightFog wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“So. Much. Noise.“ This comes across as very dismissive of your user’s concerns. Maybe worth giving your ego a break for a few hours and embracing empathy for your users.

It's not about ego, it's about clarity and overall sustainability of the product. Reality is that Insomnia offers plenty of ways to still run locally, but now it does it in a sustainable way that allows us to improve the product even more. I forgot to add that users can also create "Private Environments" which are always local and never synchronized with Insomnia Sync (in the cloud) or Git Sync.

Calling complaints noise does not aid clarity. And your sustainability concerns are noise to everyone else.

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by bakugo »

Aeolun wrote: post #50

I just don't have the energy to find a new client and build up my collection again... How do I know that a random product won't sabotage my future use at some point in time? Do I really have to build everything myself to be safe?

Use something that doesn't auto-update and always works offline. Automatic updates are an anti-user "feature".

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by nabogh »

fosk wrote: post #121
nabogh wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So have I lost the ability to have multiple workspaces without making an account?

To create multiple workspaces/projects, you need to create an account. When you create an account you can still work locally by: - Enabling Git Sync which skips the cloud entirely and works with a 3rd party Git repository. - Using Private Environments which are never synchronized in either Git or Insomnia Sync (cloud) If you only have one collection, you can use Scratch Pad locally for that.

So you've downgraded people without an account?

Re: Insomnia REST client now requires an account

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Post by 12345hn6789 »

fosk wrote: post #100

So. Much. Noise. An update on Insomnia 8.x here: * Insomnia can be used locally-only with Scratch Pad. * Insomnia can be used with an account without sharing any data using Git Sync (the data is in your Git repository, wherever that is hosted). * Insomnia can be used with an account and without Git Sync in a fully end-to-end encrypted way (E2EE). Nobody can read your data. * Insomnia stores your account information i…

Calling valuable user feedback noise is not the wisest decision. But luckily for you I will be quiet after this. My team and I will be moving off of insomnia. That should quiet things.
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