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Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

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Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

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Throwaway, but I work at Bandcamp. We're all very frightened and don't know what the future holds. We were told that some, but not all, will get offers from Songtradr and it may be up to a month before we receive an offer. It's pretty depressing.

Thank you and everyone on the team. You changed music. Full stop. You gave us what we wanted. Full stop. We love you for your work.

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

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post #88

Throwaway, but I work at Bandcamp. We're all very frightened and don't know what the future holds. We were told that some, but not all, will get offers from Songtradr and it may be up to a month before we receive an offer. It's pretty depressing.

I work at SongTradr. I know nothing about the acquisition, but can answer any other questions you have. I feel like Bandcamp 100% fits better with SongTradr than Epic.

> I feel like Bandcamp 100% fits better with SongTradr than Epic.

FWIW, at least some ("one"?) musicians are cautiously optimistic about this:

https://mastodon.sdf.org/@lardmotel/111145640060611780

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

#123

Throwaway, but I work at Bandcamp. We're all very frightened and don't know what the future holds. We were told that some, but not all, will get offers from Songtradr and it may be up to a month before we receive an offer. It's pretty depressing.

Thank you and everyone on the team. You changed music. Full stop. You gave us what we wanted. Full stop. We love you for your work.

That means the world. <3

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#124

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This sort of deliberate bad faith interpretation of another's comment is the worst form of virtue signaling hysterics I've witnessed outside of a lab.

The OP is referring to a specific person (and used the pronoun 'he'). It is in fact not considered by any reputable etymological source as a slur or as a sexist term in any capacity.

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

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I work at SongTradr. I know nothing about the acquisition, but can answer any other questions you have. I feel like Bandcamp 100% fits better with SongTradr than Epic.

Thank you, I appreciate it! A few quick questions: 1. How are benefits/compensation? Competitive? 2. Are there a lot of international remote employees at SongTradr? Bandcamp has a lot of people around the globe and we'd love to know if SongTradr is likely to make offers internationally or if it'll just be near offices. 3. Do you like working there?

1. Compensation is what I would call mid-tier competitive for each region. You won't get an SFO salary in Spain. You'll get more at FAANG or a more tech-focused startup, but I left a FAANG job to come here.

2. Lots of international employees. No exec-level requirements of working from an office, but some teams may have their own rules.

3. It's middle of the pack, but that's mainly because I get stuck doing jobs I hate because I'm the only one with the experience, and we've got a client breathing down our neck. it's the burden of being the Sr Dev, but eventually, I'll have trained my team well enough that I can do a bit of real innovation... until then, I really believe we're enabling artists to make a better living by opening up a market (sync) that has generally been reserved for artists that are already living comfortably.

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

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then you should check out SongTradr's other recent acquisition, 7digital.com... not only do they have flac, but many have 16 and 24bit available.

There's no difference in the data that will be delivered to you DAC using flac or whatever the non-compressed version was. flac is a lossless format. If it started as 24 bit wav, nothing is lost when you get the flac version of that. it's just smaller.

if you digitized at 24 bit, then 16 bit is technically compressed. with flac, the waveforms aren't compressed, but the amplitude is, so audio buffs claim they can hear more separation. I can't hear it, but I also can't taste the difference between coffee bean origins, but I know people who can.

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

#127
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Throwaway, but I work at Bandcamp. We're all very frightened and don't know what the future holds. We were told that some, but not all, will get offers from Songtradr and it may be up to a month before we receive an offer. It's pretty depressing.

Do you think this sale was intended as a union-busting move? It sounds like they're not retaining staff with the sale, and this timing seems to match with Bandcamp's staff unionization efforts.

there's not a whole lot of point to union-busting if you don't own the company anymore...

bandcamp staff unionizing might have been a consideration in deciding to sell the company, but i don't think it's fair to call that "union busting".

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> Because of their no DRM policy and full on downloads, not just streaming, Bandcamp has basically become the only place I’ll buy music outside of CDs. Just so you know, Apple and Amazon also offer DRM free music downloads. Obviously, you have to actually buy the individual song or album, not a streaming plan. In Apple's case you do need to install iTunes to get your DRM-free file (on Windows, I'm not sure what the s…

I have also purchased music on Amazon and let's not pretend its "full on downloads", Amazon has V0 MP3 only iirc and Bandcamp offers ever format under the sun including FLAC and ALAC. Don't know about Apple because iTunes doesn't have Linux support and the whole setup of downloading an app in order to download a file strikes me as a bit gross.

> downloading an app in order to download a file strikes me as a bit gross

It's impossible to be a casual user of the Apple ecosystem. There are photos on my kids iPads that I'd like to save to the family archive, but I can't muster up the energy to work out how to do it again.

I've done it before but long enough ago that I've forgotten the method but remember the frustration and effort - I know it's going to be less than what my exaggerating memory tells me, but... eughhhh, Apple.

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

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post #125

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Thank you, I appreciate it! A few quick questions: 1. How are benefits/compensation? Competitive? 2. Are there a lot of international remote employees at SongTradr? Bandcamp has a lot of people around the globe and we'd love to know if SongTradr is likely to make offers internationally or if it'll just be near offices. 3. Do you like working there?

1. Compensation is what I would call mid-tier competitive for each region. You won't get an SFO salary in Spain. You'll get more at FAANG or a more tech-focused startup, but I left a FAANG job to come here. 2. Lots of international employees. No exec-level requirements of working from an office, but some teams may have their own rules. 3. It's middle of the pack, but that's mainly because I get stuck doing jobs I hat…

Thank you for the response! That’s really helpful, makes it feel a little less vague & murky.

Re: Bandcamp has been sold to Songtradr. What does this mean for the musicians?

#130

Epic owning Bandcamp never made sense. Getting Bandcamp off the books is likely to make the business look better to investors.

Bandcamp is profitable. How would selling at what's likely a loss from their purchase price going to look good to investors?

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