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WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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I'm an Alaska (relatively) frequent flyer. That airline offers a free "messaging" plan, that lets you send and receive messages on apps like iMessage, Facebook Messenger and Whatsapp. Though, it somehow prevents images/attachments from coming through on those platforms. I've always wondered how this is implemented technically, and if it might be possible to setup some kind of protocol/wrapper to send data that looks…

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Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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I'm an Alaska (relatively) frequent flyer. That airline offers a free "messaging" plan, that lets you send and receive messages on apps like iMessage, Facebook Messenger and Whatsapp. Though, it somehow prevents images/attachments from coming through on those platforms. I've always wondered how this is implemented technically, and if it might be possible to setup some kind of protocol/wrapper to send data that looks…

I've also wondered why Grindr but not Tinder works on the "messaging only" plan. Someone at Alaska must have had fun with that one. Flightaware.com also works, presumably because Alaska uses Flightaware for its tracking map.

> Flightaware.com also works

Unfortunately, I couldn't get it to load on my Alaskan flight a few days ago on the free messaging plan. Maybe they've changed it

Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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I used to do the same thing at hotels. Still often works. nmap -sn 192.168.0.1-255 To find everyone on the network, then start spoofing each of their MACs until you find one that works

Does that work if both of you are trying to send/receive packets at the same time?

WiFi signal is received by both. Packages are ignored if they are not requested by either one of the systems. You can also receive anyone else's packages while you are using your internet but ignoring the ones you don't need. (If interested try aircrack-ng.)

Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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When my son was younger - maybe 9 or 10 or so, we were on a plane and he was using his phone and I looked over his shoulder and realized he was on the internet... but I hadn't paid for an internet plan. I said, "son, how are you using the internet?" He said, "oh, a kid at school showed me - if you go here" (he opened up the wifi settings where the DHCP assigned IP address is) "and start changing the numbers, eventual…

What does your son do now, if you don't mind me asking? That's the kind of stuff I was poking around with then add a year or two.

Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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I used to do the same thing at hotels. Still often works. nmap -sn 192.168.0.1-255 To find everyone on the network, then start spoofing each of their MACs until you find one that works

I should probably know the answer, but what happens when two devices have the same MAC address?

I should probably know this too, but I'll speculate wildly instead.

MAC is Layer 2, IP address is Layer 3. One way or another, the packet destined for the person you're spoofing will end up at your computer and work its way through the layers. From there, if it's a TCP/IP packet, I think it'll get filtered out at Layer 4 (transport) because your computer wasn't one of the parties that initiated the TCP connection (the sequence numbers won't line up, etc).

Packets being broadcast to multiple machines is common enough in various network setups, it's up to the individual machine to decide whether to process or drop the packet.

Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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I used to do the same thing at hotels. Still often works. nmap -sn 192.168.0.1-255 To find everyone on the network, then start spoofing each of their MACs until you find one that works

I should probably know the answer, but what happens when two devices have the same MAC address?

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Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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This seems like a poor slippery slope argument. It’s not as if charging for internet is new, it’s been what? 20 years? And yet they still don’t charge for water

Is that an American thing? Absolutely paying for the water here.

On planes? Seriously? Where?

Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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Elevation is relative to sea level, not the ground.

The plane is measuring altitude , which is relative to a reference point, unlike elevation which is relative to sea level. And if the altitude is determined by pressure sensor, musn't it be relative to the ground directly below the plane, anyway? (Although personally, I agree with the sibling comment that the variability is likely an artifact of the sensor resolution.)

Planes dont measure height relative to the ground. How would that even work? Their sensor is air pressure, which is treated as a function of elevation.

Re: WiFi without internet on a Southwest flight

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Elevation is relative to sea level, not the ground.

The plane is measuring altitude , which is relative to a reference point, unlike elevation which is relative to sea level. And if the altitude is determined by pressure sensor, musn't it be relative to the ground directly below the plane, anyway? (Although personally, I agree with the sibling comment that the variability is likely an artifact of the sensor resolution.)

When you climb to the top of Mt. Everest, the air pressure is about 1/3 of what it is at sea level even though you're standing on the ground.
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