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Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by simonh »

midoridensha wrote: post #48
grishka wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet somehow, Windows 10 and 11 are dripping with contempt for the user, but the EU still hasn't acknowledged that as an antitrust problem worth investigating. Their insistence on pushing users into Edge alone should be enough IMO. Stuff like Edge "accidentally" opening on startup and some links "accidentally" opening in Edge instead of your default browser and your default browser setting getting "accidentally" reset…

>Yet somehow, Windows 10 and 11 are dripping with contempt for the user, but the EU still hasn't acknowledged that as an antitrust problem worth investigating. Their insistence on pushing users into Edge alone should be enough IMO. At this point, I'm not sure it's worth investigating. This isn't the 90s when everyone was running application software directly on their PC; now everything is done in the cloud or through…

The fact so much is don’t in the browser now makes their abusive pushing of Edge even more egregious.

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by cyann »

pxc wrote: post #38
latchkey wrote: post #6

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> The setting will still occasionally reset after installing some system updates because it's 2023 and computers these days are extremely unreliable when it comes to remembering user preferences. The sudo touchid mod gets reset so often now that I've stopped bothering with it. Ok, you win apple!

Sadly, DisplayLink breaks that functionality (???). I've been unable to work around that breakage on my work Mac. :(

This should help:

  defaults write com.apple.security.authorization ignoreArd -bool true

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by pxc »

cyann wrote: post #52
pxc wrote: post #38

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Sadly, DisplayLink breaks that functionality (???). I've been unable to work around that breakage on my work Mac. :(

This should help: defaults write com.apple.security.authorization ignoreArd -bool true

I did find that online, but unfortunately it did not help. :(

I'm not sure if this is because that info is out of date, or due to some other issue specific to my work machine and what the org has installed/configured on it.

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by jeroenhd »

grishka wrote: post #29
jeroenhd wrote: post #21

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Apple is probably lucky that so few people use Macs, because the EU would have a field day with this notarization bullshit if they'd managed to get a 10% market share on computers.

Yet somehow, Windows 10 and 11 are dripping with contempt for the user, but the EU still hasn't acknowledged that as an antitrust problem worth investigating. Their insistence on pushing users into Edge alone should be enough IMO. Stuff like Edge "accidentally" opening on startup and some links "accidentally" opening in Edge instead of your default browser and your default browser setting getting "accidentally" reset…

I agree. It's high time the EU took action against Microsoft.

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by jeroenhd »

kanbara wrote: post #33
jeroenhd wrote: post #21

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Apple is probably lucky that so few people use Macs, because the EU would have a field day with this notarization bullshit if they'd managed to get a 10% market share on computers.

how is it bullshit? windows is/was laden with malware, requiring antivirus, just full of crap for decades.

Agreed, and during those decades legislation and execution thereof sorely lacked.

Now in the DMA/DSA times, things are different. It took them a couple of decades, but the EU is starting to take action.

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by pornel »

heartjudytenuta wrote: post #31

Microsoft has had digital signing with Authenticode certificates for ~20 years now but they didn't give it a fancy name like "notarization" so nobody cares. "Safely" is strong language that implies software digitally signed by Apple does not contain malware. In my experience, their system is more a sieve than the condom it purports to be.

Notarization is uploading the binary to Apple. This is different from signing. And it’s not your key, but theirs.

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by latchkey »

MBCook wrote: post #27
JimDabell wrote: post #18

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I try this occasionally and always disable it again. For some reason I find the fingerprint sensor is far less reliable for this particular use case. When I try to authenticate, I have to try repeatedly to get it to recognise my fingerprint. I know it’s the same hardware and software doing the matching, so it doesn’t really make any sense to me.

I don’t use it either. I don’t need sudo enough so I just don’t find the need. My password is strong but it’s not like it’s 58 characters. I love Touch ID in general on this Mac. This just didn’t do anything special for me, so I never really adopted it.

I don't use sudo that much either, but it was always one of those things that was fun to adopt because it was theoretically a one time change. Set and forget. Once Apple started to update the OS more frequently, I stopped bothering trying to keep up with the resets. Thankfully this annoyance is fixed!

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by hedora »

pxc wrote: post #39
userbinator wrote: post #23

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This is not remotely obvious Apple stopped emphasising discoverability a long time ago.

That feels like such an understatement to me. macOS seems almost uniquely undiscoverable in my experience. But this makes me curious! What versions of Mac OS nailed discoverability and how? I'd love to look at old videos and/or emulate hardware for them and play around.

OS 9 and before emphasized discoverability:

https://i.stack.imgur.com/bdY7i.jpg

Sometime at or after OS X, the industry pivoted to surprise and delight instead, and so did Apple. (Not sure who pioneered it.)

This feeds in well with the whole "cult of apple" thing, since to use the laptop / phone, you have to get other users to show you cool non-discoverable tricks. Take this article explaining basic functionality in Finder for example:

https://www.lifewire.com/use-mac-finder-2260739

I've been using OS X for about 10 years, and didn't know half that stuff.

Instead, I know just enough Mac OS CLI to know to avoid macports and brew, and to instead use a hypervisor or ssh to a machine with a reasonable filesystem layout.

Here's an article plugging surprise and delight. I'm not a fan, so I'm not going to try to enumerate its purported advantages:

https://medium.com/@davidporretta/surprise-and-delight-in-ux...

(Begrudgingly sent from an apple device.)

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by hedora »

m463 wrote: post #28
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #22

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Well, you’re secure if you can’t do anything, right?

security = 1/convenience

Computer security is often defined as Availability, Confidentiality and Integrity.

By that definition, as convenience goes to zero, then availability, and therefore security goes to zero too.

Re: Safely open apps on your Mac

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Post by pxc »

hedora wrote: post #58
pxc wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That feels like such an understatement to me. macOS seems almost uniquely undiscoverable in my experience. But this makes me curious! What versions of Mac OS nailed discoverability and how? I'd love to look at old videos and/or emulate hardware for them and play around.

OS 9 and before emphasized discoverability: https://i.stack.imgur.com/bdY7i.jpg Sometime at or after OS X, the industry pivoted to surprise and delight instead, and so did Apple. (Not sure who pioneered it.) This feeds in well with the whole "cult of apple" thing, since to use the laptop / phone, you have to get other users to show you cool non-discoverable tricks. Take this article explaining basic functionality in…

This is a great reply! Thanks so much. :)
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