It almost seems like Judge Mehta is somehow complicit in this. Judges can also be corrupt, they are just human.
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An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
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#162Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny enough, XMLHttpRequest[0] was conceived because Microsoft needed to build out a web client for Exchange[1], which was a precursor to Gmail in many ways. In absolute terms, Gmail had more users and showcased the possibilities of web apps more broadly, however Outlook for the web in 2001-2004 was pretty sophisticated for its time [0]: Though it was called ActiveXObject for a time [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/…
That's what I was referring to with, They didn't realize that they already had added the key feature for the Outlook team.
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#163The article massively overstates the impact of the 1998 Microsift trial. What Microsoft got was a slap on the wrist that they considered just a cost of doing business. Netscape died, and Microsoft's behavior remained the same. Microsoft didn't blink until acround 2008 when the EU cases finally fined them enough that they blinked. See, for example, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-eu/eu-fines-mic... .
Whilst I'd agree strongly that the courts exacted far less severe a penalty than they could have, or IMO should have, based on the Findings of Fact in the case, the point remains that Microsoft post trial was far less feared or effective than it had been previously.
It was in 2007 that the founder of this site and its associated venture capital wrote "Microsoft is Dead":
Microsoft cast a shadow over the software world for almost 20 years starting in the late 80s. I can remember when it was IBM before them. I mostly ignored this shadow. I never used Microsoft software, so it only affected me indirectly—for example, in the spam I got from botnets. And because I wasn't paying attention, I didn't notice when the shadow disappeared.
But it's gone now. I can sense that. No one is even afraid of Microsoft anymore. They still make a lot of money—so does IBM, for that matter. But they're not dangerous.
http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9770>
Of course, Microsoft did not in fact die, and it remains part of FAANG (or MAAMA, or whatever we're calling them these days), but the company did see a substantial decline by any number of measures (fear, market cap, reputation, market domination) through the aughts and well into the teens.
Google and Facebook and Amazon emerged, Apple (all but dead itself by the late 1990s) had one of the most phenomenal come-backs of any company ever. And when we talk of market domination today, the first names off peoples lips or fingertips are more likely Google and Facebook and Amazon than Microsoft. It's their market spaces which are most resistant to serious rivalry, whilst Microsoft scrambles for the scraps of desktop and tries to establish itself in the Cloud. The areas it had tried to dominate: commerce, Web search, handhelds, and even office software, are owned, or at least strongly contested (in the last instance) by others.
I'm not saying that Microsoft is redeemed (I don't think it is), or that it's well behaved (dittos). But the unrestrained malevolence it exhibited through the mid-1990s is mostly tamped down strongly.
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#164How is this even allowed? Should the judge and overseeing team be punished?
> How is this even allowed? Nixon v. Warner Communications (1978) If a company feels the need to reveal their trade secrets in court to make their case, but ultimately wants to maintain protection over the trade secret itself, what option would you provide them? Obama's signature of the Defend Trade Secrets Act in 2016 is also a recent indicator the executive branch has no interest in the breach of trade secrets. It…
They should be given no options. The public has a right to know what these parasitic megacorps are doing, and kf revealing those things is damaging, well, good, let them rot and collapse in that case.
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#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can help! Stop insisting that trans women are men, then there is no problem.
They are men, whether you like it or not. Men who desire to be women, or who just call themselves women, for whatever reason. No-one should be compelled to accept a false, reality-denying belief as if it were true. This absurd assertion that some men are women is a particularly pernicious falsehood.
You act like that's settled fact. It's just your opinion.
The opinion itself isn't the problem, it's when you want to hurt an out-group that it becomes a problem. Personally, I despise a bully, especially am adult one.
On your opinion, it takes no account of edge cases. Occasionally, humans are born with XXY chromosomes. Occasionally humans are born with both male and female genitals. Occasionally humans are born chimaeric, with different DNA in different parts of their bodies. It's biological fact that the distinction between male and female is blurry.
We're on HN, I expect you already know this. If you didn't know this, then, you're one of today's lucky 10,000.
Either way, your opinion is not based in fact. I take it you'll be a little less rigid on this topic?
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it had a huge effect on changing the practices of their potential consumers. I'm aware that Microsoft and Google still have massive marketshare, but there's no way of knowing what the world would look like if that lawsuit hadn't happened. They technically lost in the legal court, but internally may have been congratulating themselves because the penalty was so small. But they lost in the court of public opini…
In what court of public opinion did they lose? Among people who were interested in open source 20 years ago? Sure! But who else doesn't like them? The general public of people our age thinks good things about Microsoft. Even my siblings find my dislike of Microsoft bizarre. The only thing about Microsoft that most people my age ever hated was Clippy. And even Clippy is now generally liked. And developers under 35 see…
I don't think Clippy is liked as much as he's a common thing people can agree on and as such he gets a lot of attention.
Same for MS, it's not an accident that even non-technical folk moved onto chrome away from IE/Edge even though IE had huge marketshare at one point.
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They are men, whether you like it or not. Men who desire to be women, or who just call themselves women, for whatever reason. No-one should be compelled to accept a false, reality-denying belief as if it were true. This absurd assertion that some men are women is a particularly pernicious falsehood.
You act like that's settled fact. It's just your opinion. The opinion itself isn't the problem, it's when you want to hurt an out-group that it becomes a problem. Personally, I despise a bully, especially am adult one. On your opinion, it takes no account of edge cases. Occasionally, humans are born with XXY chromosomes. Occasionally humans are born with both male and female genitals. Occasionally humans are born chi…
You have conflated two groups of people: those with rare disorders of sexual development, and men who demand access to women's and girls' spaces while pretending to be women.
Using the existence of the former group as a rhetorical shield for the intrusive behaviour of the latter isn't at all convincing.
It's quite clear from your comments that you elevate male desires above the dignity and safety of women. I hope you can reflect on your misogyny and perhaps even start to respect women as equals rather than second class citizens to be subjugated to the wants of men.
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#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
You act like that's settled fact. It's just your opinion. The opinion itself isn't the problem, it's when you want to hurt an out-group that it becomes a problem. Personally, I despise a bully, especially am adult one. On your opinion, it takes no account of edge cases. Occasionally, humans are born with XXY chromosomes. Occasionally humans are born with both male and female genitals. Occasionally humans are born chi…
You have conflated two groups of people: those with rare disorders of sexual development, and men who demand access to women's and girls' spaces while pretending to be women. Using the existence of the former group as a rhetorical shield for the intrusive behaviour of the latter isn't at all convincing. It's quite clear from your comments that you elevate male desires above the dignity and safety of women. I hope you…
And you conflate your opinion with justification to dictate how others live.
Your accusation of misogyny is disingenuous and offensive, and I won't have it.
The fucking irony, after you had the brass neck to open with "protect women" - sir, the set of people railing against trans women using the women's loo is a neat overlap with apologists for Trump perving on girls in their dressing rooms.
We're defining other people in opposition to their self-image here, right?
CSA correlates strongly with authoritarianism. If you want to protect girls, drown a right-winger.
We're done.
Re: An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have conflated two groups of people: those with rare disorders of sexual development, and men who demand access to women's and girls' spaces while pretending to be women. Using the existence of the former group as a rhetorical shield for the intrusive behaviour of the latter isn't at all convincing. It's quite clear from your comments that you elevate male desires above the dignity and safety of women. I hope you…
And you conflate your opinion with justification to dictate how others live. Your accusation of misogyny is disingenuous and offensive, and I won't have it. The fucking irony, after you had the brass neck to open with "protect women" - sir, the set of people railing against trans women using the women's loo is a neat overlap with apologists for Trump perving on girls in their dressing rooms. We're defining other peop…
Well, at least we have common ground in our opposition to right-wing politics and the behaviour of its acolytes.
I urge you to read, with an open mind, what gender-critical and radical feminist women have to say, both on this issue and more broadly.
It is my hope that you find these female-centred perspectives to be more enlightening than what either of the male-dominated progressive or conservative political blocs exclaim.
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#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
And you conflate your opinion with justification to dictate how others live. Your accusation of misogyny is disingenuous and offensive, and I won't have it. The fucking irony, after you had the brass neck to open with "protect women" - sir, the set of people railing against trans women using the women's loo is a neat overlap with apologists for Trump perving on girls in their dressing rooms. We're defining other peop…
Well, at least we have common ground in our opposition to right-wing politics and the behaviour of its acolytes. I urge you to read, with an open mind, what gender-critical and radical feminist women have to say, both on this issue and more broadly. It is my hope that you find these female-centred perspectives to be more enlightening than what either of the male-dominated progressive or conservative political blocs e…
Hold on - you're cruel because _sociology_ told you to be?
And at no point did you notice you were stanford-prisoning?
And you're so invested in your identity that you're willing to degrade and humiliate another human being? One who's been bullied all their life? And you think you're NOT right wing?
No, I don't think you and I have any common ground.
I see your account is brand new. Welcome to hacker news, assuming you're not merely dodging a ban. Identity politics, bashing minorities, accusations founded or unfounded - these are not welcome here. I doubt I'll be the last person to tell you that.