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ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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Did something change about their security model that I've missed? Won't this be just as vulnerable to the same poisoned website attacks that made them turn it off in the first place? Edit: Ah, never mind, I'm remembering wrong. They turned it off previously because it could bypass paywalls, not because of security concerns. So the answer is likely, "yes it is still just as insecure as ever, but now there are probably…

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Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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It’s interesting that OpenAI themselves are not calling this “you can browse again” and also throwing in the “no longer limited by September 2021 cutoff” even though it is January 2022. Stinks to me like they are pulling a little marketing campaign to lure in new users and the media is happy to oblige to use the same language/phrasing. For reference, they disabled browsing because you could bypass paywalls with it.

Paywalls was why they removed that feature?? This is why I hate OpenAI as much as I love them. They deliver miracles, but seem to have a pathological urge to make their product worse.

I would guess they weighted the cost of being sued into oblivion against the benefits and decided to be conservative...

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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Did something change about their security model that I've missed? Won't this be just as vulnerable to the same poisoned website attacks that made them turn it off in the first place? Edit: Ah, never mind, I'm remembering wrong. They turned it off previously because it could bypass paywalls, not because of security concerns. So the answer is likely, "yes it is still just as insecure as ever, but now there are probably…

I used it today for the first time, and with each individual chat you can choose whether to enable it or disable it. You can also disable even the option in settings (its actually off by default). So while there may still be security concerns, its all opt-in and you can really control which chats are exposed.

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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It’s interesting that OpenAI themselves are not calling this “you can browse again” and also throwing in the “no longer limited by September 2021 cutoff” even though it is January 2022. Stinks to me like they are pulling a little marketing campaign to lure in new users and the media is happy to oblige to use the same language/phrasing. For reference, they disabled browsing because you could bypass paywalls with it.

I wish they'd document the cut-off date properly. It's not strictly January 2022, because I've seen people get answers about the 2022 Superbowl (February 2022) and the Will Smith slap at the Oscars (March 2022) as well. Though I've been unable to replicate the Oscars one myself.

Because of your post I asked it about the "2022 Super Bowl". It gave me the correct winner and teams (and I think score, but I've since deleted the chat). The second time I asked when the Super Bowl was in 2022 and it gave its warning about its January 2022 knowledge cut-off, but guessed Feb 6, the first Sunday (wrong). I then asked it who won and it re-iterated its Jan 2022 cut-off. I've tried several more times in separate chats (using various phrasings, including 'Super Bowl LVI' to avoid mentioning a date at all) to get results or a date and it always refers to its cut-off.

I can't barely guess why it clearly has that information but insists on the cut-off. Best guess: It's told "January 2022 cut-off" is the correct answer for things it 'knows' are past that date, but because of temperature setting it sometimes answers otherwise. That would suggest a hard-ish cut-off in January 2022; but a hard cut off in (at least) April 2022 (because of the Oscars stuff).

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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Yes. There's even a project tracking which newspapers are blocking them here: https://palewi.re/docs/news-homepages/openai-gptbot-robotstx...

Oh wow, getting 43.6% of newspapers to do anything collectively over a brief period of time is... definitely not an easy achievement.

Heh, they probably don't want a repeat of Google News

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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Did something change about their security model that I've missed? Won't this be just as vulnerable to the same poisoned website attacks that made them turn it off in the first place? Edit: Ah, never mind, I'm remembering wrong. They turned it off previously because it could bypass paywalls, not because of security concerns. So the answer is likely, "yes it is still just as insecure as ever, but now there are probably…

I used it today for the first time, and with each individual chat you can choose whether to enable it or disable it. You can also disable even the option in settings (its actually off by default). So while there may still be security concerns, its all opt-in and you can really control which chats are exposed.

I'm glad to hear this, but it's also a pretty low bar to pass.

It had not occurred to me to even ask if would be opt-in, I assumed by default of course OpenAI wouldn't let GPT just arbitrarily decide to web searches without the user explicitly clicking some kind of button to do the search. To be fair, given OpenAI's track record on security that may not have been a safe assumption for me to have.

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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It seems to retrieve top-1 result from Bing. Doesn’t give any options to customize search or provide search constraints. Also failed due to technical or browsing errors a few times. Needs improvement.

Is it only a single site? I've played around with Phind long enough to come to the conclusion that even ignoring security issues, search result insertion is kind of suboptimal for a lot of tasks that need current information. And Phind does seem to benefit from at least inserting multiple sites, going with only one result seems like it would be a lot worse. My experience has been that having the up-to-date info so close to the prompt seems to heavily bias Phind towards parroting webpages and including web pages in its answers rather than offering insight, and while there are ways to prompt around that they're annoying and fragile.

I'm sure some people have different experiences; I'm less trying to argue the point and more asking "is this tangibly and clearly better than Phind to the point where it's worth me jumping through the hoops to try it out and reevaluate? Or are my impressions of GPT's direct offering largely going to match my impressions of Phind?"

Is it doing anything different or more impressive than inserting a scraped web-page into the prompt? Because I feel like I already have a decent idea of how GPT will tend to react to that and how it will influence the output.

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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I don't know why they don't mention the excellent WebPilot plugin, which has been able to search the web (on any browser natch) for a while. It has all kinds of nice open source abilities.

Yes I have been using that as one of my main plugins. It's quite good.

Another one I use is YT Caption Retriever as I use it to 'summarise the auto generated captions of this youtube video [insert link]'

- this saves me heaps of time on certain videos where I just need the gist of them rather than listening to 10 mins of

"OH hai guys it's your boi Zurtri here coming at you with another great tip - and hit that subscribe button - it really helps the algo!'

Re: ChatGPT can now search the web in real time

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. There's even a project tracking which newspapers are blocking them here: https://palewi.re/docs/news-homepages/openai-gptbot-robotstx...

Oh wow, getting 43.6% of newspapers to do anything collectively over a brief period of time is... definitely not an easy achievement.

USA today has a lot of newspapers for example. Not sure what % of that list belongs to them nor what's the source.
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