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First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by huytersd »

elforce002 wrote: post #118
have_faith wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally can't wait for brands to start specifically advertising "doesn't use AI" as a selling point because everyone got burned by their AI controlled toaster, literally and figuratively. For anything designated an "appliance" I want it to be fixable by someone locally, or it's just throwing money away.

"AI" will create a new business model for sure: "Talk to a real person", "100% human made", etc. This would be the new counter-culture.

That’s the current culture. How many times have you heard “I want to speak with a real person” or “artisanal hand made”.

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Post by jurimasa »

RealityVoid wrote: post #199
brrrrrm wrote: post #172

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Audio to text solves written word articulation, right? Besides this post is about vision, which also solves it.

No, it does not. It's still the same words, in a different medium. If you are unable to write, you'll probably be unable to speak your ideas.

...do you know that illiterate people exist, right? Do you understand that people were illiterate for thousands of years and still managed to speak their ideas, right?

Right?

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Post by raincole »

kossTKR wrote: post #62
troupo wrote: post #60

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Has AI been able to figure out conflicting and quickly changing product requirements and implement them on top of existing technical debt? You'll be fine.

But if this development continues AI will surely be able to just parse the entire frontend, then look at the repo, then look at the specifications, then when you ask for a specific feature it will instantly implement it gracefully. I don't see why it wouldn't understand piles of hotfixes on top of each other, or even refactor technical debt in tight coupling with existing or historical specification. Or is there a re…

/s?

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Post by moffkalast »

qingcharles wrote: post #120
dottjt wrote: post #18

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Oh wow, I'm completely fucked as a front end developer.

LOL. I already use it to write half my CSS, and that was before it could see what I was fucking up. I'm looking forward to this.

Real talk, GPT4 is an underrated CSS god, shaking description accurate animations from its sleeve at ridiculous speed.

Reminds me of this (apparently now eight year old) meme: https://i.imgur.com/GcZFBaT.png

This used to be funny, now it's just Tuesday.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by jprete »

thelittleone wrote: post #16
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

Agree and the next big step may well be human computer interface. Speech is starting point for input. At some point output will change also and if think it out longer term perhaps a future where instead of reading information we install knowledge, including the stored memory of actual experience. If I want to do pottery, I could think this, download the experience and then be competent at it.

This would be nice if I didn't believe that it would be enshittified before it ever got off the ground. E.g.:

* There will be a monthly fee for the interface; you owe the monthly fee as long as you have it, so you need surgery to stop paying

* When you download knowledge, it's a rental, and in addition to per-hour rental fees and the network connection fee, you will owe 30% on the value of whatever you create

* The TOS will govern your behavior continuously, since you're always using the interface

* Your behavior will always be monitored because it's totally justified to spy on you all the time just because you borrowed pottery knowledge

* If you're found to be in violation of any part of the TOS at any time, they will erase all of the knowledge they've added to your brain, as well as any derived knowledge you gained through the use of their knowledge

* Because this product isn't actually considered essential, you will have no legal remedies if they turn it off, even if you are not actually in violation of the TOS

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Post by p1esk »

moffkalast wrote: post #227
p1esk wrote: post #221

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If the rate of improvement continues at the current pace - which is GPT 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 in the last five years - we are just one or two improvements away from a full blown AGI/superintelligence/singularity/etc. At that point, a superior user interface is probably the least interesting (or scary) thing that would happen. I personally doubt GPT-5 will be as much of an improvement over GPT-4 as GPT-4 was over GPT-3, bu…

It does make one wonder how it'll all play out in the coming decades. One way or another humans will eventually be unemployable for most of currently existing jobs. Throughout history, the ruling elite had always relied on the rest of the population to make their food, do their work, and fight in their wars. This is the first time ever that they will no longer have any need for anyone else. Maybe climate change will…

With full automation, and using renewable energy, it will be very cheap to feed and house the peasants. I'm guessing it will become mainly about entertaining, so most will move into VR worlds, first through headsets, then BCI, and eventually uploading.

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Post by cs702 »

crazygringo wrote: post #109
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

> they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do No they won't. They're actually a pretty terrible user interface from a design perspective. Primarily because they provide zero affordances, but also because of speed. UX is about providing an intuitive understanding of available capabilities at a glance, and allowing you to do things with a single tap that then reflect the new state ba…

Don't think it of it as the machine performing repetitive tasks you specify.

Think of it instead as the machine accomplishing goals you specify, figuring out on its own the tasks necessary for accomplishing them.

Instead of telling the machine something like, say, "increase the left margin by a quarter inch," you'd say something like "I want to create a brochure for this new product idea I just had, and I want the brochure to evoke the difficult-to-describe feeling of a beautiful sunshine. Create 10 brochures like that so I can review them."

Instead of telling the machine, say, "add a new column to my spreadsheet between columns C and D," you'd say something like "Attached are three vendor proposals. Please summarize their pros and cons in a spreadsheet, recommend one, and summarize the reasons for your recommendation."

All this presumes, of course, that the technology continues to improve at the same pace. No one knows if that will happen.

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Post by gs17 »

>The model appeared to read the clues correctly but misinterpreted the structure of the board.

>This same limitation was exhibited in our sudoku test, where GPT-4V identified the game but misunderstood the structure of the board

"Misunderstood" makes it sound like a small mistake. The sudoku board is completely hallucinated (it has a few similar regions, but I'd presume coincidence). I'm pretty sure it would give as good a result on the crossword if the clues were given without the grid.

The others after OCR and basic recognition feel similarly wrong. "GPT-4V missed some boxes that contained traffic lights." No, it told you to click boxes that do not exist.

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Post by p1esk »

DrJaws wrote: post #224
p1esk wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the rate of improvement continues at the current pace - which is GPT 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 in the last five years - we are just one or two improvements away from a full blown AGI/superintelligence/singularity/etc. At that point, a superior user interface is probably the least interesting (or scary) thing that would happen. I personally doubt GPT-5 will be as much of an improvement over GPT-4 as GPT-4 was over GPT-3, bu…

chat-gpt at the end is a language model, not an real AI, it have limits and are huge

real AI

Thanks for the laugh, I needed that.

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Post by huytersd »

nimithryn wrote: post #222
dottjt wrote: post #18

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Oh wow, I'm completely fucked as a front end developer.

I’ve used GPT4 (text) heavily as part of my business, including for front end stuff. The technology is very impressive - but honestly Twitter examples are super cherry picked. Yeah, you can build some very ugly, basic front end web pages and functionality right out of the box. But if you want anything even slightly prettier or more complicated, I’ve found you need a human in the loop (even an outsourced dev is better…

I’ve had good results with “match the style of the webpage/figma”.
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