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First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by gwern »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #156

It didn't successfully explain the NVIDIA burger joke though? The image is making fun of how nvidia has implemetned price discrimination by releasing consumer gpu's that don't have as much vram as they should so that they can sell the fully loaded datacenter gpu's at insane markup without pissing off gamers. The explanation didn't even come close to getting that.

I don't think that's the right answer. I don't see anything in that meme image that indicates it's about price discrimination and elaborate narratives about consumer psychology, as opposed to a simpler point that 'NVIDIA GPUs are imbalanced'. Skimming what seems to be the meme origin on Facebook, I don't see a single gamer there mentioning price discrimination, or come even close to getting that. That may be why they skimp on VRAM, but you're adding a lot of context & editorializing into it that neither the meme author nor recipients are focused or even understand.

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mediaman wrote: post #169
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

Roughly half of people in most developed countries are not functionally articulate: meaning, they can read functionally, but struggle to articulate what they want with the written word. LLM-based chatbots can be extremely attractive to the top 30% literacy users in the developed world. They are not a good universal UI. You still need to provide pathways for the user to follow to get done what they need without forcin…

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Post by astrange »

troupo wrote: post #168
dottjt wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not yet, but give it time. The concept of self-driving vehicles even a decade ago seemed absurd (or even AI for that matter), but now it all seems like a reality. And that's not even taking into account all the advances we'll have with AI within the next decade that we haven't even thought about. But yeah, you may be right.

> The concept of self-driving vehicles even a decade ago seemed absurd (or even AI for that matter), but now it all seems like a reality. Nope. It's still not close to reality. It's as close to reality as it has been for the past 10 years while it was being hyped up to be close to reality. > And that's not even taking into account all the advances we'll have with AI within the next decade that we haven't even thought…

Cruise and Waymo are in production in really difficult cities. I think it's definitely in the last 10 years of not being here.

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Post by Reflecticon »

m3kw9 wrote: post #98

I’m just imagining a mode where OpenAI calls it “App Mode” where you say what you want say “a dog themed cute calculator app with units conversions”, and it will generate the UI for a working app. You add these into a widget like place. The OpenAI AppStore will carry these apps. Although in the beginning the apps would be simple but I do see potential

The more AI can produce customized stuff for us the less we need companies. Full personalization of our products might be possible. Probably first software, then art, then 3D printed products and maybe later houses, cars and clothes.

I wonder what we will work and if we will work at all in such an environment. Maybe some people still like consuming and copy different designs and products and because of the Blockchain you have to give them something in exchange or everything is open source and it is free for you to take.

I wonder whether such life would contribute to humanity making further progress or make it stagnate (or possibly decline)?

Interesting times. I think we are close to the times of the moon landing. Which had an immense Impact on humanities culture.

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Post by jiggawatts »

IKantRead wrote: post #102
layer8 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know, I hate the idea of having to hold a natural-language conversation with a computer in order to make use of its functionality. It feels like being one of those Futurama heads in a jar that can’t do anything by themselves.

> I hate the idea of having to hold a natural-language conversation with a computer in order to make use of its functionality. I hate the idea of having to use a mouse to click on a visual GUI to navigate a file system in order to make use of its functionality. It's less the case today, even among developers, but it wasn't that long ago that I remember that any serious technical user of a computer took it as a point…

> I hate the idea of having to use a mouse to click on a visual GUI to navigate a file system in order to make use of its functionality.

Ironically, studies have shown that mouse-based interfaces are more efficient for practically all filesystem use-cases compared to CLI interfaces.

Despite objectively faster-time-to-solution, people self-report that they "feel" that the mouse GUIs are slower.

That's because there's fewer actions per second when using a mouse. It's a smooth gliding motion and then a single click, versus many keystrokes in a row with a CLI.

Rapid actions feel faster, even if it takes more wall-clock time to achieve a task.

Keep this in mind next time you sneer at a "bad graphical user interface" for being "slow".

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

crazygringo wrote: post #179
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know - the timer app on my oven is trivial too. But I always, always use Alexa to start timers. My hands are busy, so I can just ask "How many minutes left on the tea timer?" Voice is not really clumsy, compared to finding a device, browsing to an app, remembering the interface etc. Already when we meet a new app, we (I) often ask someone to show me around or tell me where the feature is that I want. Not any…

I think we're basically in agreement though. Everyone agrees setting timers in the kitchen via voice is great precisely because your hands are occupied. It's a special case. (And often used as the example of the only thing people end up consistently using their voice assistant for.) And asking an AI where a feature is in an app -- that's exactly what I was describing. The app still has its UX though. But this is exac…

Alexa's search is a little different - it's context-independent. I can ask for a search from any point in the TV app - in some other menu, while watching another show, heck even when the TV is turned off.

And when describing apps - I imagine the AI is an app-free environment, where I just ask those questions of my AI assistant, in lieu of poking at an app at all.

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Post by jiggawatts »

gwd wrote: post #202
throw1234651234 wrote: post #140

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Zero awe. This week so far it can't find an import of a type in Next.js and it can't get the user object from a session. Next.js is one of the most popular FE frameworks in the world. It lied about both, repeatedly giving wrong answers. Here is my previous experience https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34648167 with it not being able to do basic tasks. It's all fun and games until the mistakes start having a cost. O…

Just to clarify, you're using GPT-4? Or GPT-3.5 (the free ChatGPT one)? My experience with GPT-4 has been completely different from what you describe. Example: https://gitlab.com/-/snippets/2567734

He's using Copilot, which is based on GPT 3.0, making it ridiculously outdated.

Generally feedback along these lines doesn't work.

People who are worried about their job security will cling to the worst AI output quality they can find like a life-preserver, and simply will not listen to advice like yours.

Nobody goes the extra mile to embrace an existential threat.

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Post by burkaman »

mediaman wrote: post #169
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

Roughly half of people in most developed countries are not functionally articulate: meaning, they can read functionally, but struggle to articulate what they want with the written word. LLM-based chatbots can be extremely attractive to the top 30% literacy users in the developed world. They are not a good universal UI. You still need to provide pathways for the user to follow to get done what they need without forcin…

> Roughly half of people in most developed countries are not functionally articulate

Where did you get this idea? I found this article (https://www.uxtigers.com/post/ai-articulation-barrier, is this you?), but it makes a leap from literacy to articulacy that I don't understand. It's not obvious to me why an illiterate person would be "functionally inarticulate" assuming they can speak instead of write.

Also, I'm not certain but I think the author is underestimating the abilities of a person with Level 2 literacy. It doesn't seem correct to say that "level 3 is the first level to represent the ability to truly read and work with text", especially when the whole point of LLMs is that you don't have to read a long static document and understand it, you can have a conversation and ask for something to be rephrased or ask followup questions.

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Post by gs17 »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #156

It didn't successfully explain the NVIDIA burger joke though? The image is making fun of how nvidia has implemetned price discrimination by releasing consumer gpu's that don't have as much vram as they should so that they can sell the fully loaded datacenter gpu's at insane markup without pissing off gamers. The explanation didn't even come close to getting that.

Yeah, it seems to think the joke is about the graphics card being represented as a burger (and that the size is physical) and not about the amount of VRAM being insufficient.
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