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Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

eatsyourtacos wrote: post #181
MBCook wrote: post #86

So what’s the killer app? Beatsaber and some other games can be a lot of fun, but they’re not new. What new experience are ready for this? I get the quality is better, and that’s not nothing. But other than that this largely seems like more of the same. VR still doesn’t seem to have advanced much in software to me. And Meta keeps pushing virtual meetings and such but that’s not my cup of tea. I owned a Quest 2 and ha…

>So what’s the killer app? There isn't one and there never will be because people like different things. Why do people like you constantly say "what's the killer app" ever time something new VR comes out? I've been doing VR since oculus dk1 and VR has been crazy enjoyable from time to time. VR is cheap as hell now. Quest2 was $300 for quite some time even before the Quest3. If you can't find enjoyment with virtual re…

> Why do people like you constantly say "what's the killer app" ever time something new VR comes out?

It’s asking for the use case. If there isn’t a use case outside gaming, there is no value on the table for non-gamers.

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

cheriot wrote: post #207
MBCook wrote: post #86

So what’s the killer app? Beatsaber and some other games can be a lot of fun, but they’re not new. What new experience are ready for this? I get the quality is better, and that’s not nothing. But other than that this largely seems like more of the same. VR still doesn’t seem to have advanced much in software to me. And Meta keeps pushing virtual meetings and such but that’s not my cup of tea. I owned a Quest 2 and ha…

Quest 2 grew the VR market by ~10x. What was the killer app? Beat Saber is the first install, but not what kept it going for 3 years. It's the ecosystem. VR Chat for some, social game for others, immersive experiments like Bonelab, and a few studio titles. I'm glad Meta didn't hype the Quest 3 too much. It's easy for VR expectations to outrun current tech. VR seems to be in the trough of disillusionment where it's mo…

Beat Saber is still hella fun. I know some people that just play that (but play it daily) on their Quest. I'm not sure Facebook is particularly happy about that, however, since those people aren't buying apps or making them much money (maybe just the occasional song pack).

I'm guessing Beat Saber is the only reason the Quest is even sold in Japan and Korea.

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by riskable »

felistoria wrote: post #206
riskable wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Valve releases a stand-alone headset that can play regular PC VR games that will be what changes the VR market. Until then it'll be just, "more of the same." Minor improvements/evolution, etc. Biggest thing the industry could do in order to move VR/AR forwards would be to adopt SteamOS or a similar "normal" Linux OS and give end users root . That would really be a kick in the ass towards real innovation more tha…

You can do this with the Quest 2 right now via AirLink. I do it all the time.

You're talking about streaming/remote control of a PC which can involve significant latency and lag spikes (unless you're tethered with a good USB cable). That is by definition not a stand-alone headset. You're just using it as a fancy VR dongle.

This necessitates two things:

    * Your PC is powerful enough to run VR games
    * Your PC is in an area that's convenient to play (with plenty of room)
Nearly all Quest 2 users are using it stand-alone. They're not hooking it up to a PC. There's a tiny fraction of users that do the PC VR thing with Steam but that's so small as to be negligible in the overall market.

You're actually kind of making my point: Imagine if you didn't need the PC or the tether and could just play those great, easy-to-mod PC VR games directly on the headset. The market for VR would undergo a massive, positive change.

I'd also like to point out that tethering limits the fun you can have! Example: https://replay.beatleader.xyz/?scoreId=7668607

You can't play Beat Saber like that if you're tethered.

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by justapassenger »

umeshunni wrote: post #188
baby wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s the killer app for a PC?

Originally, it was Excel/Lotus 123. Later, it was the web browser. Nowadays, it's mostly games.

Web browser and Excel are still killer apps for PC. There's way more PCs used for that, than for games.

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by bottlepalm »

MBCook wrote: post #86

So what’s the killer app? Beatsaber and some other games can be a lot of fun, but they’re not new. What new experience are ready for this? I get the quality is better, and that’s not nothing. But other than that this largely seems like more of the same. VR still doesn’t seem to have advanced much in software to me. And Meta keeps pushing virtual meetings and such but that’s not my cup of tea. I owned a Quest 2 and ha…

A lot of kids are spending most of their waking hours in VRChat right now. It's pretty addicting once you have a group of friends in there...

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by lawlessone »

riskable wrote: post #180
MBCook wrote: post #86

So what’s the killer app? Beatsaber and some other games can be a lot of fun, but they’re not new. What new experience are ready for this? I get the quality is better, and that’s not nothing. But other than that this largely seems like more of the same. VR still doesn’t seem to have advanced much in software to me. And Meta keeps pushing virtual meetings and such but that’s not my cup of tea. I owned a Quest 2 and ha…

When Valve releases a stand-alone headset that can play regular PC VR games that will be what changes the VR market. Until then it'll be just, "more of the same." Minor improvements/evolution, etc. Biggest thing the industry could do in order to move VR/AR forwards would be to adopt SteamOS or a similar "normal" Linux OS and give end users root . That would really be a kick in the ass towards real innovation more tha…

>and give end users root.

I like the idea but the vast majority of people buying smartphones don't have root and it rarely bothers them.

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by crooked-v »

bottlepalm wrote: post #225
MBCook wrote: post #86

So what’s the killer app? Beatsaber and some other games can be a lot of fun, but they’re not new. What new experience are ready for this? I get the quality is better, and that’s not nothing. But other than that this largely seems like more of the same. VR still doesn’t seem to have advanced much in software to me. And Meta keeps pushing virtual meetings and such but that’s not my cup of tea. I owned a Quest 2 and ha…

A lot of kids are spending most of their waking hours in VRChat right now. It's pretty addicting once you have a group of friends in there...

Also (as lots of adult VRChat users will complain about), it's a way to get free babysitting from the internet for your kid.

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by justinsaccount »

serf wrote: post #163
Farbklex wrote: post #147

I am just waiting until Valve releases an open, PC based competitor to the meta quest.

when has Valve released anything 'open'? (at least with regards to end-user products..)

The steam deck is a linux pc with an unlocked bootloader.

All of their work on Proton is open source: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/Proton

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by justapassenger »

galkk wrote: post #28

I'm not VR pro, but the resolution sertainly feels lacking. There were articles where people were writing how they are programming for many hours in their quest2. I cannot understand how this is possible with this bad text

I don't think at this price point we can get really resolution for tasks like programming for at least few more years. Those screens are just still very expensive (and power hungry).

Re: Meta Quest 3

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Post by vyrotek »

MBCook wrote: post #86

So what’s the killer app? Beatsaber and some other games can be a lot of fun, but they’re not new. What new experience are ready for this? I get the quality is better, and that’s not nothing. But other than that this largely seems like more of the same. VR still doesn’t seem to have advanced much in software to me. And Meta keeps pushing virtual meetings and such but that’s not my cup of tea. I owned a Quest 2 and ha…

My kids are on Gorilla Tag and Roblox all day and I complain about it the same way my parents did about the all time I spent in chatrooms and forums back in the day.

It's a slow roll, but I think the seed has been planted.

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