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First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by Nfthero »

cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

Absolutely!

Never seen something like this and the new results from openai tells us again that we are not close to any reasonable plateau.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by Nfthero »

layer8 wrote: post #28
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

I don’t know, I hate the idea of having to hold a natural-language conversation with a computer in order to make use of its functionality. It feels like being one of those Futurama heads in a jar that can’t do anything by themselves.

I got Tendonitis and very very curious how soon I can really start to do an interaction like in star trek.

Walking around and thinking out loud with the computer.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

crazygringo wrote: post #142
bratbag wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If something is a repetitive habit that you can do almost without thinking, there is a good chance an AI could infer that entire chain. I think what's more likely is that an AI based interface will end up being superior after it has had a chance to observe your personal preferences and approach on a conventional UI. So both will still be needed, with an AI helping at the low end and high end of experience and the mid…

I think I wasn't clear enough -- these habits I'm talking about are things like "press cold water button, press start" or "press warm water button, press start" or "tap 'News' app grouping, tap 'NY Times' icon". There's nothing to infer. The sequence is already short. There are no benefits from AI here. But you raise a good point, which is that there are occasionally things like 15-step processes that people repeat a…

I don't know - the timer app on my oven is trivial too. But I always, always use Alexa to start timers. My hands are busy, so I can just ask "How many minutes left on the tea timer?"

Voice is not really clumsy, compared to finding a device, browsing to an app, remembering the interface etc.

Already when we meet a new app, we (I) often ask someone to show me around or tell me where the feature is that I want. Not any easier than asking my house AI. Harder really.

Hard to underestimate the laziness of humans. I'll get very accustomed to asking my AI to do ordinary things. Already I never poke at the search menu in my TV; I ask Alexa to search for me. So, so much easier. Always available. Never have to spell anything.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by tmalsburg2 »

apexalpha wrote: post #92
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

Correct, this will be the successor to the GUI.

I doubt it. It’s too damn costly computationally.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by Nfthero »

have_faith wrote: post #111
cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

I personally can't wait for brands to start specifically advertising "doesn't use AI" as a selling point because everyone got burned by their AI controlled toaster, literally and figuratively. For anything designated an "appliance" I want it to be fixable by someone locally, or it's just throwing money away.

I'm curious if we will reach a situation were the steam punk idea becomes reality:

People plugging weird stuff together like a ai chip from a car into a toaster.

If ai becomes hardware chips it could easily be that language processing will be a chip default feature and the rest is teachable like plugin ai chip level 3 into it, boot it and teach it that it's now a toaster.

But at the end we will have the same toaster in 30 years as we have had for the last 30 years.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by mediaman »

chankstein38 wrote: post #42

I want this. I'm a paying GPT-4 customer I hate how these rollouts go. Why do I pay just to watch everyone else play with the new toys?

You'll have it within a week or so.

Pretty much all new products that require significant per-user incremental workloads (e.g., in this case, significant GPU consumption per incremental user) do rollouts. It's an engineering necessity. If they could roll it out to everyone at once, they would.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by troupo »

kossTKR wrote: post #62
troupo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has AI been able to figure out conflicting and quickly changing product requirements and implement them on top of existing technical debt? You'll be fine.

But if this development continues AI will surely be able to just parse the entire frontend, then look at the repo, then look at the specifications, then when you ask for a specific feature it will instantly implement it gracefully. I don't see why it wouldn't understand piles of hotfixes on top of each other, or even refactor technical debt in tight coupling with existing or historical specification. Or is there a re…

I very much doubt it. "Revert Norway tax code" or "add content restrictions for Turkey" cannot necessarily be deduced from the codebase. And there are thousands of product requirements like that.

It might become a better code assist tool some 10 years from now, but it won't be able to implement product decisions.

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Post by troupo »

dottjt wrote: post #66
troupo wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has AI been able to figure out conflicting and quickly changing product requirements and implement them on top of existing technical debt? You'll be fine.

Not yet, but give it time. The concept of self-driving vehicles even a decade ago seemed absurd (or even AI for that matter), but now it all seems like a reality. And that's not even taking into account all the advances we'll have with AI within the next decade that we haven't even thought about. But yeah, you may be right.

> The concept of self-driving vehicles even a decade ago seemed absurd (or even AI for that matter), but now it all seems like a reality.

Nope. It's still not close to reality. It's as close to reality as it has been for the past 10 years while it was being hyped up to be close to reality.

> And that's not even taking into account all the advances we'll have with AI within the next decade that we haven't even thought about.

As with FSD, we may approach an 80% with the rest 20% being insurmountable.

Don't get me wrong, these advances are amazing. And I'd love to see an AI capable of what we already pretend it's capable of, but it's not even close to these dreams.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by mediaman »

cs702 wrote: post #10

Sure, there are a few edge-case failures and mistakes here and there, but I can't help but be in awe . AWE. Let me state the obvious, in case anyone here isn't clear about the implications: If the rate of improvement of these AI models continues at the current pace, they will become a superior user interface to almost every thing you want to do on your mobile phone, your tablet, your desktop computer, your car, your…

Roughly half of people in most developed countries are not functionally articulate: meaning, they can read functionally, but struggle to articulate what they want with the written word.

LLM-based chatbots can be extremely attractive to the top 30% literacy users in the developed world. They are not a good universal UI. You still need to provide pathways for the user to follow to get done what they need without forcing them to articulate their requirement.

This is why so many people sit in front of a ChatGPT-like service and say, "what would I use this for?" and never use it again.

Re: First Impressions with GPT-4V(ision)

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Post by troupo »

IKantRead wrote: post #102
layer8 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know, I hate the idea of having to hold a natural-language conversation with a computer in order to make use of its functionality. It feels like being one of those Futurama heads in a jar that can’t do anything by themselves.

> I hate the idea of having to hold a natural-language conversation with a computer in order to make use of its functionality. I hate the idea of having to use a mouse to click on a visual GUI to navigate a file system in order to make use of its functionality. It's less the case today, even among developers, but it wasn't that long ago that I remember that any serious technical user of a computer took it as a point…

> Touch screen interfaces are another example of an easier UI that ultimately feels even more limited.

Depends o the use case. Touch screen is much more powerful than command line for maps, for example. Or for drawing. Mouse + keyboard is much more powerful than just keyboard for DAWs. And so on and so on.

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