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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Chrome runs on iOS

Huh, i never knew it’s webkit all the way down

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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If only there were phones that did exactly what you wanted

The parent just said the iPhone is what they wanted. Is it hard to believe that someone could both like Apple and look forward to a world with more control over their phone?

It’s not hard to believe someone would like to have their cake and eat it too. That doesn’t make it a reasonable demand though.

The parents say the iPhone is what they want and that is because the iPhone is the phone you can’t accidentally break by installing alternative stores or apps or making the wrong settings. If Apple is forced to allow alternative stores, apps and settings that can break the system, the iPhone is no longer the phone they wanted.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #648

I support forcing open standards on tech giants. But I don’t support singling out a specific tech giant (in this case Apple), since it means Apple’s also-tech-giant competitors get an upper hand. For example, why not force Google to open up Chrome, to increase interoperability? I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome and import them into the macOS keychain, and vice versa. If the EU focuses on Apple a…

> For example, why not force Google to open up Chrome, to increase interoperability? I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome You can? https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95606?hl=en&co=GENI...

You didn’t quote me properly. The whole quote is:

> I want to be able to export saved passwords from Chrome and import them into the macOS keychain, and vice versa.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Ok, so we kiss a good Genius Bar experience goodbye.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Nobody is forcing anybody. Apple is free to pull out of the phone market entirely.

Hah, I laughed at that one. Good one. Of course the needless regulation and coercion is forcing Apple to act.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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The App Store is not perfect, but what was the last time you actually installed a virus on iOS or iPadOS? It's working Good Enough™ I wish/hope that as the default family IT guy, I will be able to set policies on my parents devices that block 3rd party apps.

I've literally never had an infected Android device, and neither has any member of my family despite the existence of sideloading. Also, when's the last time anyone's installed a virus on Macs? They're infinitely more open than their mobile counterparts, yet there's barely any issues there. I'm willing to bet the large majority of people don't even know what sideloading is in the first place, and even if you somehow…

> They're infinitely more open than their mobile counterparts, yet there's barely any issues there.

I know that isn't true because otherwise I wouldn't have a job.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #777

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" that it’s immoral to coerce men to do what you want" Wait what? but that's what community and laws are all about.

Generally laws should protect negative rights, not enforce positive ones. I can’t think of a more entitled law than “my fav phone maker totes doesn’t have side loading”. What an egregious use of force.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I’d lol if Apple pulls out of the EU.

This comment comes every single time the EU asks Apple anything. And yet, every time Apple gives in to the demands of the authorities of the largest market in the world, unsurprisingly (even if Europe is only Apple's second region per revenue, because they lag very much behind Android there). Anyone who thinks Apple will give up about 100 billion dollars of revenue to spite the EU is not being realistic.

So far

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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post #855
post #803

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Given that this scenario hasn't happened with Android, which allows sideloading, this argument seems like baseless fearmongering to me.

Given that this scenario has happened on the PC side of things, where I now need to have a Steam store, Epic store, EA Store, Ubi store, and GOG store (it's optional — thanks GOG!), I'd say it's not as baseless.

And that's a good thing. Do you think the situation on Windows would be improved if Microsoft forced everyone to use their store?

There is competition amongst stores and people outright reject software that is exclusive to a store that they do not favor.

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