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A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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> in Denmark and other more developed countries it could be the opposite. Did you mean: richer?

I mean more developed, because a country like Saudi Arabia is rich but not developed imho, and there could be countries that are develope -- i.e. they have good education, infrastructure, medical care, human rights, clean environment etc etc and not that rich.

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It could be, but communication issues could also be at play, plus overeager doctors/social workers. In Romania they go at great lengths not to pull children out of family environments, in Denmark and other more developed countries it could be the opposite.

Implying ripping children out of their families willy-nilly is "more developed."

That's not at all the implication.

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Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science.

> Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science. Honest question, trying to parse your statement (and bear in mind I don't live in Europe, so I'm surely missing the obvious): do you mean that in Denmark there is a bias against Eastern Europeans, such as Romanians? Edit: excellent, got a downvote for asking an honest question and clarifying why I wrote it. Is this an example of the fine discour…

It’s not just in Denmark, most Europeans have a negative bias towards Romanian immigrants (mostly because they’re too ignorant to even know Romanians are not Roma).

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Oh the good old, violent Easter European bias mixed into crap science.

Seems like the bias is on your part… Which is ironic, given the articles content…. Or do you have _evidence_?

Wait, are there Europeans who don't acknowledge that this bias exists? In my experience with European colleagues and those who've traveled a lot there it's so universally-acknowledged that this would surprise me.

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Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’! It’s just incredible the injustice that can be done in the name of protecting children. I really do wonder if it’s cultural or some kind of innate psychological irrarionality that seems stronger in some…

My sense is it's important to keep in back-of-mind that there is a massive selection effect involved in terms of which people chose to enter these fields and what sorts of personal life events (trauma, abuse, witnessing of abuse etc) motives choosing to make this a career. These are not well-paid careers (nor are they high-status) so money and status are typically not motivations (in fact a relative of an in-law works in a closely-related field and we talk at Thanksgiving-type family events about work and their employers often seem to me to be exploiting their investment in the field). I think it's why it can be so difficult to discuss it with them, it is deeply personal and they feel the "system" failed in the past and they want it fixed.

Anyway, it's not meant as an ad hom, but it helps to step back and think why people are involved with certain roles.

To be clear: here the author only bothered look with his well-trained eyes because he was sucked in after the law intruded into his life. It's easy to assume that everyone is highly-skilled. But... highly-skilled people don't usually choose to work for peanuts without other reasons. Fields like this are neglected.

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> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

"Sufficiently advanced ignorance/apathy is indistinguishable from malice"

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since everyone else is sharing an anecdote: When I was 14 or so I fell off my dirt bike and broke my arm, both bones in my forearm. Went to the hospital. About 5 people asked me how it happened taking about an hour, while I was WRITHING in pain. Finally, I complained to the right nurse and she got me something for the pain. It was just enough to stop crying, not enough to stop feeling it. I later found out that the i…

THIS. It very often seems as if the medical/social system has "barricaded itself" inside it own ideological/psychiatric obsessions with the idea of child abuse, and is blind to reality. Let alone the actual welfare of the child.

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Not everywhere is the US.

This isn’t even true for the US. In the US we believe it’s better to let a criminal run free than deprive an innocent of their liberty.

"It is better to let 100 criminals go free than to imprison 1 innocent man." — Benjamin Franklin

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> Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’! This is just speculation, but I bet those groups (or their members) aren't always calmly and coolly trying to find the best policies protect the welfare of children. Instead they feel themselves on a k…

There's another factor in this, which makes it hard to change: For the people in child welfare organizations, for social workers, for doctors, for police, for judges to change their mind about current and future decisions requires them to change their mind about past decisions. The necessary implication is that many of the people they have persecuted in the past were, in fact, innocent. It requires them to admit that…

There's also the normalization of seeing and hearing awful things. After a while of being exposed to the wretches of humanity you begin to see the signals for the wretches everywhere.

As the warrior poet Maslow put it, "if the only tool you ever have is a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail."

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Once my kid cut his butt cheek falling off his bike (to this day I don't know how). I brought him to the hospital for sutures, and was asked to live the room while he was questioned. I felt very uncomfortable, and almost guilty, while this lasted for all of 5 minutes. I cannot imagine losing custody of your child while he's in an emergency situation for a couple months. This must be a nightmare.

> was asked to live the room while he was questioned Is that even legal ? Anyone trying to get between my kids and I is going to have a very bad day.

I am thinking it's even mandated from the medical personnel
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