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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Indeed, if you don't like it you can buy another product. That should be Apple's choice. Sure, users will likely benefit from this but I don't see why the EU needs to regulate this.

Ppl like good hardware and sw support but want more freedom, why not allow this? I hope for a similar law for other systems like smartwatches, infotainment systems, etc

People get good hardware and sw support thanks to the reduced "freedom".

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

> Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly Or this could read as: Apple mandating WebKit is the thing preventing Firefox (and others) from properly competing against v8.

Firefox can't compete against v8 on any other platform (it's what, 2% of browsers now?), so there's no real indication that it being allowed on iOS would do much.

But Chrome certainly would make huge inroads.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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> The rendering engine is a boring, unimportant implementation detail that users do not care for. Then I'm sure users won't mind when I'm allowed to install my own rendering engine on my own computer, that I own, because I bought it, and, therefore, own it.

Apple is trying to prevent familial and household abuse where people install invasive software on devices of household members to spy on them or otherwise take away their privacy and freedoms. What solution would you suggest? Just look the other way?

Don't worry. Apple already installs spyware on their devices for the Chinese market. It's called iCloud.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I don’t want Facebook to be able to say that I can’t use Whatsapp unless I install their rootkit store.

Yep, just like they do on android. Oh... Wait a second, they don't do that.

> Wait a second, they don't do that.

Do they need to do that, in the first place? And, is there a guarantee that they won't?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

I mean, it is a very neat and easy-to-use platform at this point with relatively good privacy. I hope that doesn't entirely go away and I hope Apple will move some of the restrictions they make in the App Store into the OS. I really like that apps have to disclose what personal data they process and that apps can't just use private APIs for unlimited spying (two things I'm sure Instagram and my bank would love to get around, and I can't realistically do without either). Also hope I won't have to manage 12 different app stores because every large brand will try to force their own. I'd be happy enough with just side-loading apps I write myself, as Apple will doubtless add some scary messaging, so Meta et al won't be able to use it for their apps.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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I mean I don't know a single apple user that trusts apple but maybe I understand the concept differently than what you're implying. I love my iphone but that's in SPITE of apple's app store meddling, not because of that.

The one exception I can think of is apple forcing twitter to keep the block functionality.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

  > I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits.
I want to run AnkiDroid. So I bought a phone that runs it. I don't have an opinion on this EU decision - but what precludes you from purchasing a phone that supports Firefox if that's what you want. Isn't the classical argument that the market would push users like you away from an Apple device, and that market pressure would be the tipping factor in Apple deciding whether or not to allow Firefox?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Apple should open up the boot loader and let you install an alternate OS.

Can’t get any more open than that.

But I think we will find people actually want access to Apple’s audience and dev tools for free. I’m loathe to stump for megacorp like Apple, but in the same vein as iMessage, I don’t think we should drag iOS down to Android’s level just because Googles messaging strategy has been a turd for a decade.

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