Imagine your child taken away from you just on the basis of some assumptions. This makes my blood boil. I have never had murderous thoughts even when I have been wronged really bad. I just forget and move on with life. But I don't think I can do that if my child is taken from me for something I didn't do. I'll definitely go postal. Land of "Freedom".
A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy
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#332Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trouble is: shaken baby syndrome is real and well documented. Because the crime is so abhorrent, people strongly want to believe the diagnostic tools to be much more sensitive and accurate than they really seem to be. It's the classic "N guilty men" problem, aka Blackstone's ratio: if you risk putting one innocent person in jail, how many guilty people you need to catch to make it morally justifiable? 5, 10? 100?…
In the article it clearly states that shaking does not cause the hemorrhage that's currently considered "shaken baby syndrome". It literally says there aren't documented cases where the shaking was captured on tape/testified and the symptoms present at the same time. It's more likely that a fall (or being thrown) would cause the symptoms.
You need to work on your comprehension
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Lest we forget the very systems enabling this behavior of banal evil were created and maintained by perhaps the most evil of them all.
The word "lest" is meant to come after something else. It means "for fear that" or "or else" or something similar. So it's not clear what you're trying to say. I don't know what "very systems" built by "the most evil" you mean either. Is it supposed to be obvious what you're referring to?
It's from a poem in 1897.
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#334Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not everything comes with evidence, nor is everything a court case. If you have experienced racism again and again though, you can often tell when you see it, or you can quite safely deduce it in a case or wrong treatment, even without hard proof.
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>Conflating racial prejudice with cultural prejudice is a cheap trick.
Race is culture. There is no scientific or biological basis for the racial classifications we use. That whole framework was invented by European slave traders and imperialists to justify white supremacist ideology. At one point, Irish and Italian immigrants to the US weren't considered white. Whether Jews are white or not depends on one's opinion of them (they tend to become less white the more paranoid people become of them.) Greeks wouldn't be considered white by many people yet many white people also hold up ancient Greece as the bedrock of "white culture," which as a concept doesn't even really make sense. "Asian" defines half the human population, so broad as to be nearly useless. "Black" is a whole can of worms. None of it is scientific or objective, all of it is a social construct.
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#335Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not everything comes with evidence, nor is everything a court case. If you have experienced racism again and again though, you can often tell when you see it, or you can quite safely deduce it in a case or wrong treatment, even without hard proof.
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>Racism? I didn't know Romanians and Danes were of different races.
Now you do. In the ideology of racism (from the 19th century to the Nazis and beyond) not only Romanians and Danes are of different races, but also Nordic/Germanic/Anglosaxon are of different race to Italians, Bulgarians, Greeks, and so on, including of course the Irish. With a long history of those (and more) not considerd "white" in the US, and being persecuted by the KKK and others.
>Conflating racial prejudice with cultural prejudice is a cheap trick.
Yes, god forbid we condemn prejudice as racial when in fact it's just prejudice because of their "inferior" culture.
Of course, though, those two go hand-in-hand historically. For example, according to Nazi racism, Jews had a "damaging influence" on German culture, they promoted various forms of decadence and so on. And of course every modern racist would say they don't hate blacks as a race, just black culture and crime and so on.
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We know now that the CDC and the manufacturers (and the media) lied about efficacy regarding preventing transmission/infection. In fact, the trials didn't even attempt to measure transmission or infection, and were not ever authorized for such. The only thing they were authorized for was reducing the severity. Do not perpetuate the myth that the vaccines slowed the spread.
You can go ahead and read the trials yourself. They very much found that the vaccines were excellent at preventing Covid-19 entirely (they did not measure if they also prevented SARS-CoV-2 asymptomatic infection). It just turns out that they had far too little data and that in real-world conditions they weren't anywhere near the 90+% claimed effectiveness. Even so, the latest population-level research still suggests…
First, they still haven't released all the trial data. Second, the data the FDA released on their own website for the Pfizer trials proved they didn't even test all of the participants in the trial for COVID, nor did they test all the 'suspected but unverified' cases of COVID.
There simply is no data to prove they ever prevented transmission. The trials were the best place to prove that, and they DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO TRY.
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#337Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’! It’s just incredible the injustice that can be done in the name of protecting children. I really do wonder if it’s cultural or some kind of innate psychological irrarionality that seems stronger in some…
> Amazing that bit about child welfare organisations fighting against the science, when clearly taking children away based on false accusations is clearly far worse for the child’s welfare, not to mention the parents’! This is just speculation, but I bet those groups (or their members) aren't always calmly and coolly trying to find the best policies protect the welfare of children. Instead they feel themselves on a k…
I work in child welfare in Australia. Not sure how it compares to the models in other countries, but we desperately try not to remove child from their families. There is very little evidence to support it improves outcomes for those children, and the removing itself is highly horrific for everyone involved. Even in the instances we remove children, we actively attempt to work with the parents to address the issue. We are also beholden to the Courts to justify our decision making.
The harm we cause is better explained by systematic reasons (workload, case complexity, red tape, worker burnout and apathy, racism)
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> Racism? I didn't know Romanians and Danes were of different races. Now you do. In the ideology of racism (from the 19th century to the Nazis and beyond) not only Romanians and Danes are of different races, but also Nordic/Germanic/Anglosaxon are of different race to Italians, Bulgarians, Greeks, and so on, including of course the Irish. With a long history of those (and more) not considerd "white" in the US, and be…
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> they feel themselves on a kind of righteous moral crusade They see a lot of bad stuff which causes them to have a difficult time admitting that sometimes bad stuff just happens on it's own Reminds me of the police/detectives that "just know he did it" because they don't understand that people grieve differently. I really empathize with the people that don't have a meltdown and cry when they hear some horrific news.…
That actually happened to me, not with the police though, but with social workers. I explained the situation in a very calm, concise, and perhaps emotionally detached manner because this is just my personality. They wrote in their report that they found it strange that "I almost did not cry during the interview", which they said was the main reason they would recommend to put David in foster care. The guilt of knowin…
Sounds a lot like the terrible case of Lindy Chamberlain "A Dingo Ate My Baby" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quC4cbpJeaU
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It could be, but communication issues could also be at play, plus overeager doctors/social workers. In Romania they go at great lengths not to pull children out of family environments, in Denmark and other more developed countries it could be the opposite.
Implying ripping children out of their families willy-nilly is "more developed."
Development past a certain point is not universally a good thing.
The term is used to describe the stages a country has been through, and there’s plenty of evidence that as countries develop further, the nature of those developments may or may not be beneficial.
Brexit, online safety and other forms of “progress” come to mind.