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Antidepressants Work Better Than Sugar Pills Only 15 Percent of the Time (2022)

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Years ago I had a boss who had a nervous breakdown. I went to visit him in the mental hospital where he was being treated. In his case he was on a very structured day routine and meds. I asked him what he felt did him the most good. He told me that he had a hour each day in the gym where he was to do some type of exercise. He said that he felt best during and after that time. Since then a great deal of research has validated his observation.

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My First SSRI at 19.

I'd been referred to a psychologist and so I started attending appointments in his office, at the Children's Hospital with the playsets in the waiting room. He was a kind man, and our sessions were trustful and frank. He spoke to me with candor and not unlike Mr. Rogers on my TV, only he was there for me alone.

Shortly he handed me off to his accomplice who pushed drugs. I got fluoxetine HCl. That's mostly fluoride in case you're not a chemist.

Back home I was playing with the cat and smiling. I'd perked up, because I'd formed a new relationship with someone who cared, and I felt like life was better because there was intervention and perhaps these awful feelings would be addressed properly. My primary abuser exclaimed how happy I was, "it's like we've got $SON back!"

I'd been on the pills about two days. I'm still puzzled after decades how a chemical is supposed to be responsible for the profound personality change that happened at that time. Unfortunately I wasn't able to keep up sessions with the shrink, so it was all a flash in the pan.

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There have been several posts on Hacker News about this the past few days.

I know myself. I'm a hacker, right? I can reprogram my body to accomplish anything.

But sometimes people do need help, and that's not bad.

I love this site, and the people on it. I hope these recent posts don't create a culture that rejects all depression management methods.

It's a very fine line. The previous post mentioned that the "placebo effect is growing stronger".

That may be true, but recent stressful events in the world have taken a toll on people. Seeking help should be a zero cost option, or maybe even slightly less.

Not everyone needs help, but those who do may find an explosion of links to this by friends off putting.

Just something I'm keeping in mind for myself when talking to my circle.

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I keep seeing all these placebo studies regarding anti-depressants, and yet I know for a fact that SSRIs were able to get me out of 2 episodes of months long depression in life within a few days of taking them. Everybody reacts different is my only explanation

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There have been several posts on Hacker News about this the past few days. I know myself. I'm a hacker, right? I can reprogram my body to accomplish anything. But sometimes people do need help, and that's not bad. I love this site, and the people on it. I hope these recent posts don't create a culture that rejects all depression management methods. It's a very fine line. The previous post mentioned that the "placebo…

> I know myself. I'm a hacker, right? I can reprogram my body to accomplish anything.

Is there a name to that way of thinking? That's how I've been thinking lately but I can't help but think it's wrong.

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I keep seeing all these placebo studies regarding anti-depressants, and yet I know for a fact that SSRIs were able to get me out of 2 episodes of months long depression in life within a few days of taking them. Everybody reacts different is my only explanation

What the studies say is that the placebos might have been as effective for you.

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Years ago I had a boss who had a nervous breakdown. I went to visit him in the mental hospital where he was being treated. In his case he was on a very structured day routine and meds. I asked him what he felt did him the most good. He told me that he had a hour each day in the gym where he was to do some type of exercise. He said that he felt best during and after that time. Since then a great deal of research has v…

Same..

It’s just so reliable too. If I’m feeling off.. I just do 15 minutes of cardio (or enough to get me in that zen-like sweaty breathing state) and then I take a hot shower and switch to cold water before getting out.

Those 30 minutes are enough to keep me feeling really good for hours - or the whole day.

It’s become my secret weapon. I do it after work on especially hard days, I do it before dates or other social gatherings. Works like a charm.

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There have been several posts on Hacker News about this the past few days. I know myself. I'm a hacker, right? I can reprogram my body to accomplish anything. But sometimes people do need help, and that's not bad. I love this site, and the people on it. I hope these recent posts don't create a culture that rejects all depression management methods. It's a very fine line. The previous post mentioned that the "placebo…

> I know myself. I'm a hacker, right? I can reprogram my body to accomplish anything. Is there a name to that way of thinking? That's how I've been thinking lately but I can't help but think it's wrong.

I don't know the name, but good question.

There's a related issue with trusting the system you're in that hackers might often feel too. "I'm a programmer, I've seen how many bugs are in my own code... I've seen the spam I get..."

Again, these articles might be technically correct. But some people might need some help in addition to those who are doing ok.

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