If you want to see the flood in action, watch this story get pushed down by every tool available.
Expect it to effectively vanish off the front of hacker news in record time.
China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation
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#153> America had asked Taiwan to manufacture biological weapons at a lab run by the island’s defence ministry, the report claimed. This reminds me a lot of the (presumably Russian disinformation) story that flitted around American conservative spheres early in the Ukraine war saying that the US gov was setting up bio weapon labs at the border with Russia and that's why the Russian invasion was justified. Funny how the e…
There's going to be a lot of Russian and Chinese interference in American politics in 2024 for sure
The fact that this always surpises americans doesn't stop to amaze me. American politcs to some extent affects literally everybody on the planet. But only 300M of them are allowed to vote directly. I consider this situation unjust :)
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#154The expression "flooding with disinformation" is the hallmark of biased reporting. Why is only one side considered as "disinformation" while the other side is assumed to be only talking the truth? The only conclusion I can reach is that the economist is doing here the very same thing they're accusing the other side.
'Both sides' is a core part of the authoritarian propaganda playbook. Pretending that occasional manipulation in the information produced by Liberal democracies is somehow equivalent to the constant stream of lies autocracies produce, is part of how they stop their people wanting change.
What Russian or Chinese press do you read to come to this conclusion?
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#155China is having an internal information crackdown. It's approaching the nutty level, which probably indicates that Xi is losing it. The latest thing is a crackdown on clothing "detrimental to the spirit of the Chinese people."[1] [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-66737272
Xi is losing it everywhere; - internal purging of military senior officials. 5 out of the 7 senior officials are now missing in action. https://www.newsweek.com/china-defence-minister-li-shangfu-m... . Very similar to Mao Zedong's purging of his generals https://www.hoover.org/research/lin-biao-incident-and-people... . China has had to transfer generals from airforce and army to head up missile force, because so many…
Here's a thought, maybe all those news are "fake news"?
The original article talks about China misinformation in Taiwan. Maybe western society is running the same thing to China. Like like they did for North Korea.
Remember the "people can only get certain types of haircuts in North Korea"? Fake news, and I believed it at the time. So now I'm always sceptical on what I read from western news talking about Asian countries.
Here's an interesting satire about this https://youtu.be/2BO83Ig-E8E?si=MziI90I7xP5W4g-m
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#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is said by "Rep. Seth Moulton (Mass.) — one of the Democratic Party’s leading voices on defense": Speaking at a Milken Institute panel in Los Angeles, Moulton said: “One of the interesting ideas that’s been floated out there for deterrence is just making it very clear to the Chinese that if you invade Taiwan, we’re going to blow up TSMC.” He continued: “I just throw that out not because that’s necessarily the be…
That’s a bizarre idea. China wants Taiwan because they consider it a renegade province. I doubt they care about one fab.
Everyone can dig out ancient maps and declare something renegade. Defacto Taiwan is a independent nation, with a very different (not purged aka original) Chinese culture. Russia claims Ukraine, Poland and GDr to be renegade provinces. Should we just accept that.
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#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a bizarre idea. China wants Taiwan because they consider it a renegade province. I doubt they care about one fab.
It's dangerous strategically for the US to believe that China's motivation is about TSMC. "Taiwan" might not even be just a "CCP" goal. In fact, the "CCP" wouldn't likely survive without making unification a priority.
Hate for the outsiders, the traditional authoritarian pressure valve.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
That’s a bizarre idea. China wants Taiwan because they consider it a renegade province. I doubt they care about one fab.
Yeah. China has its stance consistently since 1940s, it is not that they woke up about Taiwan in 2010. It is more of a scorched earth plan. There isn't much of interest to US beyond TSMC. As long as it doesn't fall in hand of China, rest it will be OK to loose.
Taiwan shows that a democratic China would work and flourish.
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Sure, you raise a good point. It's also useful to consider how the idea that the leader for life of the country is going insane could be felt to be denigrating to the country and could be considered to be part of the general China-crash tropes. For the sake of good analysis, it's important to focus on real alternatives to that hypothesis, and avoid getting bogged down in semantics.
Twisting yourself in knots to avoid an unpleasent conclusion, serves nothing either. Liberal democracies arose out of the realisation that autocracies have bad endings like this.
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The worst part is that X/Twitter is deliberately not trying to help this cycle. They pulled out of the EU Code of Practice around disinformation back in May and they have been warned as recently as yesterday that the platform was the worst of all of the social networks at allowing Russian disinformation. And I am sure everyone who used it has seen the massive uptick in bots and other coordinated activity.
Fake news. I haven't seen any uptick in bots or coordinated activity. You might be following the wrong sort of accounts.
There are countless articles like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/sep/09/x-twitter...