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A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy

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Post by verinus »

p-e-w wrote: post #191
WA wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Source? Incarceration rate seems to be going down in western countries: https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/07/1096042

The scale of incarceration is still unprecedented. A reduction by 27 percent doesn't change that. Imprisonment was an extremely rare phenomenon for much of history (as was police, for that matter). Today's incarceration rates would have to be reduced by 99+% in order to reach pre-modern levels, where large cities often had only a handful of cells in total, and rural areas had none at all.

well, you were beaten or killed for a lot of crimes- some only perceived.

So, one may perceive incarceration as an improvement.

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Post by NotSuspicious »

WA wrote: post #179
p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

Source? Incarceration rate seems to be going down in western countries: https://news.un.org/en/story/2021/07/1096042

Unfortunate. It frankly needs to go up in Western countries to get to half-decent crime rates.

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Post by watwut »

lm28469 wrote: post #195
p-e-w wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The scale of incarceration is still unprecedented. A reduction by 27 percent doesn't change that. Imprisonment was an extremely rare phenomenon for much of history (as was police, for that matter). Today's incarceration rates would have to be reduced by 99+% in order to reach pre-modern levels, where large cities often had only a handful of cells in total, and rural areas had none at all.

> Imprisonment was an extremely rare phenomenon for much of history (as was police, for that matter). And crimes weren't solved, people not prosecuted, criminals not punished For much of history life didn't even exist, that's not an argument for or against anything

Murder clearance rates went DOWN last decades in USA. Less of major crime is solved.

Plus majority of it never went through tria, because trial is just too much risk. So, there are not all that many actual checks and balances

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Post by cdogl »

sanderjd wrote: post #40
dartos wrote: post #27

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I think that speaks more towards the author than higher education. Definitely a tangent, but attributing that attitude to higher education is like someone attributing a doctor saving their life to an act of god. Like yeah if you squint I guess that’s true. My experience with higher education has been that of administrators taking advantage of my naivety for profit, elitism towards those not in academia, and dismissal…

Yeah I dunno... I mean, a lot of these things are true, and they all are big problems, but also, in my experience, academics (at least in the sciences) do actually know how to read and understand research, which is an extremely difficult and useful skill.

Many academics have these skills; whether the higher education system is effective at teaching them and delivers an experience worth the significant cost to students (or here in Australia, also the publics).

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Post by akoboldfrying »

p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

>designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom

"The state" doesn't benefit in any way from locking people up. In fact, it costs them money (both directly and in lost taxes from the lost salaries and wages of those incarcerated).

An argument could be made that prosecutors benefit from higher incarceration rates through the incentives you described. And an argument could definitely be made that private corporations paying well-below-market rates for prison labour benefit.

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Post by irjustin »

laurent_du wrote: post #144
irjustin wrote: post #106

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> unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk. Stay away from mommy blogs/forums. Those are the most toxic cesspools I've ever witnessed. Things are changing, some of the newer ones are not nearly as bad, but man the judgement is super real. Nurses are one thing, but personally, the worst is family members who think they know better and don't understan…

Maternal milk is better than formula in every possible way and there is a perfect scientific consensus around this. Formula is the least worst substitute to maternal milk but going around and screaming that formula is perfectly fine, as if it was as good (or even better!) than maternal milk is denying some very well-established piece of science for likely ideological reasons.

And this is what I'm talking about - Clearly, you've never been a mother who can't produce milk for her child.

I've been there with my wife and I'm only the husband.

Everything you say is true, but by saying this and in this manner, you lack empathy. You sound just like the mommy blogs and their followers that I'm speaking against who spout facts with no room for life's situations. My wife sincerely believed she was less of a mother because of people like this.

I say it again: Formula is _perfectly_ fine. Use it a little or as a total replacement. You're not a lesser mother/parent for it.

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Post by magicalhippo »

arp242 wrote: post #66
cm2012 wrote: post #38

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Not surprised it happened in France, they are much more of a nanny state (in good and bad ways) when it comes to parenting. Like the fact that paternity tests are banned unless you have a court order, etc.

reason.com has an entire long-running series of stories like this happening in the U.S. I've heard quite a few stories from the Netherlands. It probably happens in other countries as well. It's an issue in many Western countries, where we've seemingly become risk-averse to the point where it's causing more harm than good.

Here in Norway the child protection services have been found guilty[1] of being too quick to remove children from their parents, and not letting the parents see them.

This seems to have led to the pendulum swinging too much in the opposite direction, where they now seemingly force foster kids to meet their biological parents against the kid's will[2]...

[1]: https://rett24.no/articles/norge-felt-i-ni-nye-barnevernsake...

[2]: https://www.nrk.no/norge/mener-fosterbarn-presses-til-skadel...

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Post by tikhonj »

akoboldfrying wrote: post #205
p-e-w wrote: post #140

> It is the perfect combination of crap. I think that's being way too charitable. In a world where people are incarcerated on a scale unprecedented in all of human history, and where prosecutorial success is measured by number of scalps taken, the assumption that this is plain malice designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom makes much more sense than it all being just a big pile of incomp…

>designed to let the state rob a few more individuals of their freedom "The state" doesn't benefit in any way from locking people up. In fact, it costs them money (both directly and in lost taxes from the lost salaries and wages of those incarcerated). An argument could be made that prosecutors benefit from higher incarceration rates through the incentives you described. And an argument could definitely be made that…

Politicians benefit from locking people up because it gives them an easily measurable way to look "tough on crime".

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Post by [deleted] »

rapatel0 wrote: post #181

This doesn’t surprise me. We have massive systemic issues in medical science and care delivery. - Medical science handles variation by simply assuming that large enough samples will average out variation. This loses a ton of information as the “average person” is a construct that almost certainly doesn’t exist. - news media on medical science glosses over all uncertainties in the name of clickbaity sensationalism. -…

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Post by irjustin »

CrHn3 wrote: post #151
irjustin wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk. Stay away from mommy blogs/forums. Those are the most toxic cesspools I've ever witnessed. Things are changing, some of the newer ones are not nearly as bad, but man the judgement is super real. Nurses are one thing, but personally, the worst is family members who think they know better and don't understan…

Formula is adequate as far as macronutrients go, but it lacks sugars present (at varying levels-about 20% of the population are FUT2 non-secretors and cannot produce the α1,2-fucosyltransferase enzyme that is used to make human milk oligosaccharides), stem cells and bacteria present in breast milk. Women in the US are often deficient in the strain that can metabolize the human milk oligosaccharides, b. infantis, and…

At least this one doesn't sound as bad as the other post, but it's still in the same vein - you've never been a mother who can't produce milk for her child.

I've been as the husband there and are all your facts don't allow for people's situations.

Formula is perfectly fine.

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