> I couldn’t live with this uncertainty any longer. But first, I had to get my son back. As a precautionary measure, the hospital followed mandatory reporting statutes and my wife and I temporarily lost custody of David. Thanks to our incredibly effective defense lawyer, we were cleared of all charges within two months, during which we stayed at the hospital 24/7 with David until we sorted out the legal procedures. I…
A journey into the shaken baby syndrome/abusive head trauma controversy
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
The justice system does the best it can with the information it has. It is far from perfect. It makes horrible mistakes all the time. The problem, of course, is improving it without knock-on effects making it worse. There are huge swaths of people doing the work required to make it better, every day. It's not as easy as turning a dial from "bad" to "good"
No. When it comes to evaluating forensic evidence lawyers are, by training, too process oriented to solve the problems. Ask a prosecutor what the error rate is for fingerprints or DNA evidence and you’ll get a blank stare. They don’t even try to measure it.
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> If a medical professional testifies that this is the only way, what qualifications does a DA have to question him? Questioning witnesses is literally the DA's job. That doesn't magically stop being the case just because the witness is an expert. The DA is indeed qualified for this. You could even say it's one of the main reasons the DA exists.
Got it. So the DA is supposed to not only be an expert in the law, but enough of an expert in medicine such that he can flaunt widely acknowledged medical standards while cross-examining expert witnesses on why they're wrong. The author of this post admitted that it took him countless hours to discover that medicine basically has this issue wrong and only after being particularly motivated to do so. If the DA has so…
So to be plain: No, DA's don't (and aren't supposed to) just take experts by their word. They ask clarifying questions, and often bring additional experts offering contradicting testimony.
Do you seriously think courts operate by "the doctor said so, case closed"? We wouldn't need courts if that were the case.
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Nothing shook my faith in the medical system more than having kids. Holy cow is modern medicine still as smugly wrong as it’s always been. Every generation laughs at all the stupid stuff the previous generations believed, and then acts so confident that they’ve got it right this time. And as a result you get unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk.
> unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk. Stay away from mommy blogs/forums. Those are the most toxic cesspools I've ever witnessed. Things are changing, some of the newer ones are not nearly as bad, but man the judgement is super real. Nurses are one thing, but personally, the worst is family members who think they know better and don't understan…
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting and unusual perspective - we have the one person in this thread who supports wildly expanding the death penalty. Unless the person above is, of course, an anarchist who has no answer for what to do about Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Phillip Garrido, or Brian Mitchell. I would say that as imperfect and heavily flawed as our system is, "Perfect is the enemy of good."
> what to do about Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Phillip Garrido, or Brian Mitchell Nothing. Those people are one-in-a-million anomalies. If it weren't for the media hype surrounding them, their impact on society would be comparable to the impact of deaths from lightning strikes. What do we do about people being struck by lightning? Nothing.
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#146"What happened is that during my literature review, I disturbingly realized that what I had been told at the hospital, namely that subdural and retinal hemorrhage in infants are almost always caused by violent shaking even in the absence of external evidence of trauma, was an assertion based on very weak scientific foundations. And yet, this “shaking hypothesis” (sometimes referred to as the theory of the “triad”, si…
The first is practically necessary but unsatisfying given well-known concerns about scientific replication, knowledge dissemination, and industry incentives.
The second isn't practical for most people.
I don't have detailed interventions to suggest right now, but it seems clear that we need better _systems_ that result in less dogmatic behavior among experts and legal systems.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting and unusual perspective - we have the one person in this thread who supports wildly expanding the death penalty. Unless the person above is, of course, an anarchist who has no answer for what to do about Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Phillip Garrido, or Brian Mitchell. I would say that as imperfect and heavily flawed as our system is, "Perfect is the enemy of good."
> what to do about Richard Ramirez, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Phillip Garrido, or Brian Mitchell Nothing. Those people are one-in-a-million anomalies. If it weren't for the media hype surrounding them, their impact on society would be comparable to the impact of deaths from lightning strikes. What do we do about people being struck by lightning? Nothing.
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#148trully unbelievable, i lose faith in thr justice system day by day
Nothing shook my faith in the medical system more than having kids. Holy cow is modern medicine still as smugly wrong as it’s always been. Every generation laughs at all the stupid stuff the previous generations believed, and then acts so confident that they’ve got it right this time. And as a result you get unworthy nurses making moms feel intense shame for not “trying hard enough” to somehow magically produce milk.
They had no care for my wife's ability to heal, rest, or anything, just subjecting us to the worst kind of institutionalized checklist torture. The medical system cares for nothing other than preventing lawsuits and providing a place for doctors to do their 1 hr of work on their 18 patients a day.
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I can certainly see the other side of this argument though, it feels very unfair to saddle a third party with the responsibility to support a child they had no part in making.
Do you have kids? I remember when my wife was pregnant with our first, I kept half-joking about getting a peace of mind paternity test. After actually meeting the kid and getting to know our love her, I couldn't think of anything more devastating than finding out she's not mine. Honestly wouldn't want to know, because losing my little girl would be worse than misallocating resources or whatever the Darwinian theory w…
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
Got it. So the DA is supposed to not only be an expert in the law, but enough of an expert in medicine such that he can flaunt widely acknowledged medical standards while cross-examining expert witnesses on why they're wrong. The author of this post admitted that it took him countless hours to discover that medicine basically has this issue wrong and only after being particularly motivated to do so. If the DA has so…
The DA's job is to question the credibility of witnesses. If credentials conferred credibility, it wouldn't be possible to ever convict an expert of anything. So to be plain: No, DA's don't (and aren't supposed to) just take experts by their word. They ask clarifying questions, and often bring additional experts offering contradicting testimony. Do you seriously think courts operate by "the doctor said so, case close…
> Do you seriously think courts operate by "the doctor said so, case closed"? We wouldn't need courts if that were the case.
For certain things.. yes. If a doctor tells a jury that these injuries could only be sustained via shaking trauma, most juries will believe them over a rogue doctor or a non doctor. Doctors have some of the highest trust ratings of all professions. Attorneys have some of the lowest. That means convincing the jury the doctors are wrong.
The blame should lay at the feet of the medical professional bodies.