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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by cycomanic »

HWR_14 wrote: post #330
faeriechangling wrote: post #323

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I've never installed the Meta omni-permission store on my Android, but I've certainly installed Facebook's applications via the Play Store. I'm not sure why the situation would be any different with iOS. It seems to me that the app store would still utterly dominate even if it were exposed to competition.

Google's Play Store allows Meta apps more permissions than Apple's App Store currently does. Meta lost tens of billions in market value (and an estimated $10 billion a year in revenue) when the new Apple App Store privacy rules went into effect. That's a powerful incentive.

I would argue that apple doesn't do this for the good of the users, apples own apps are not restricted in the same way others are. The whole point is giving their own apps an edge over everyone else. This is what gives apple the power to demand deals like the recently covered deal with Google that gave them billions in search revenue.

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Post by nvy »

HWR_14 wrote: post #287
kibwen wrote: post #267

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Great, and then we can properly break up Facebook as well as Google. I see no downsides here.

Why should we have to let things get worse. Break up Meta and Google and MS and then talk to me about how we don't need Apple's store anymore. Don't remove the solution and then tell me you'll fix the problem later.

>Break up Meta and Google and MS...

Don't threaten me with a good time.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by labrador »

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Agreed. Who doesn't want Apple to be more open?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by natch »

madeofpalk wrote: post #357
natch wrote: post #309

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Apple is trying to prevent familial and household abuse where people install invasive software on devices of household members to spy on them or otherwise take away their privacy and freedoms. What solution would you suggest? Just look the other way?

I'm otherwise indifferent to alternate browsers/engines on iOS, but this is a complete fiction. You made this up just to prop up your personal preference.

Nope, Apple has been saying this for years.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by natch »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #414
natch wrote: post #309

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Apple is trying to prevent familial and household abuse where people install invasive software on devices of household members to spy on them or otherwise take away their privacy and freedoms. What solution would you suggest? Just look the other way?

The same solutions that prevents people from going to "scamwebsite.com" to steal their credit card information and ask for social security numbers. That's already an issue with a web browser like Safari is it not? The same solutions we use for kids: parental controls that do not allow them to install new apps or give permissions like location permissions to apps. iOS already supports this.

Your idea of parental controls does not address the case where the parent is prone to spy on and do an honor killing of their own child, to state just one example scenario. This happens in some cultures. Apple can’t prevent all abuse obviously but it doesn’t want to be on the side of helping the abuser.

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Post by Kinrany »

Spivak wrote: post #471
Kinrany wrote: post #463

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So less freedom is good because freedom is good but any extra freedom will be stolen anyway? This is an idiotic take.

Yes, you're poorly explaining the difference between freedom-as-in-liberty and freedom-as-in-anarchy and then calling it idiotic. You are literally more free if there were no laws about murder but your actual real life freedom would be reduced because you of all the precautions you now have to take. Apple right now is operating as a de facto governing body forcing developers on the platform to follow its rules that w…

> And lord knows actual governments, even the EU, aren't going to enforce consumer protections.

Ah yes, we don't trust an actual elected government to enforce consumer protections, so we'll trust a private monopoly instead. In a thread about said government enforcing said consumer protections, no less.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by Guvante »

HWR_14 wrote: post #258
faeriechangling wrote: post #227

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>you can only run Safari on iOS Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8 back from a total monopoly, while WebKit itself has no chance of being a monopoly in the forseeable future, so I doubt there's a good anti-competitive case to be made for forcing Apple to stop doing this. It would only accelerate the monopolisation of the browser market if this happened. It would be good for consumers in the short ter…

Just like Apple mandating WebKit is the only thing holding v8/Chromium from a total monopoly, the App Store monopoly is the only thing holding back "use Meta omni-permission store or get cut off from FB/IG/WhatsApp". And then Meta getting most companies to use their store because they'll take 10% and just the data.

Why wouldn't the OS still have privacy controls?

Why hasn't Meta had any luck doing that on Android?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by thehappypm »

labrador wrote: post #484
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

Agreed. Who doesn't want Apple to be more open?

To me the closed ecosystem is just a nice user experience. Explaining to my mom how to download Whatsapp is simple with just one way to do it. All apps are downloaded the same way. There’s one login. One payment method. Everything kinda “just works” and Apple does its best to keep apps sandboxed and secure. To the typical end user, a more open environment is just more choice and more headache.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by mmis1000 »

highwayman47 wrote: post #406
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

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Webkit is __not__ stable in any sense. It is the most buggy render engine I even seen. To make things even worse. Safari restrict the debugging of itself and also viewing the logs in the name of "s e c u ri t y". So you can't even see the reason that causes crashs and workaround it.
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