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Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by stale2002 »

galangalalgol wrote: post #40
stale2002 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who cares? Presumable the hundreds of thousands, or maybe even millions of people in China who are going to die if they invade Taiwan, due to all the weapons that the US gives Taiwan and will continue to give them to defend themselves. And possibly even more that that if and when either the USA or surrounding Pacific Asia countries get directly involved against China. Those US bases aren't there for show. Instead,…

If it goes that far, the global economic ramifications could easily have a death toll exceeding direct hostilities. Or maybe trade would continue while war raged, it seems surreal, but it isn't unthinkable.

Indeed, the consequences would be huge.

Which is why such a thing isn't going to happen.

China makes a lot of bold statements but it never follows through on them.

Whats going to happen with Taiwan is the same thing that has been happening for 70 years.

China will say a lot of mean words but ultimately not do anything, and Taiwan will remain as it is now. An independent country.

Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by catlover76 »

goodbyesf wrote: post #17
jamesaurichs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's going to be a lot of Russian and Chinese interference in American politics in 2024 for sure

If there is any foreign interference, it would be from britain, canada, israel, etc. What russian or chinese interference is there when there is 24/7 anti-russian and anti-chinese propaganda?

Yes, "propaganda" like information about the Uighur Genocide and facts about Ukrainian civilians fleeing a war-torn country (an undeniable reality irrespective of what Russia's reasons for invading Ukraine were to begin with).

Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by vuln »

jamesaurichs wrote: post #9
maverick2007 wrote: post #5

> America had asked Taiwan to manufacture biological weapons at a lab run by the island’s defence ministry, the report claimed. This reminds me a lot of the (presumably Russian disinformation) story that flitted around American conservative spheres early in the Ukraine war saying that the US gov was setting up bio weapon labs at the border with Russia and that's why the Russian invasion was justified. Funny how the e…

There's going to be a lot of Russian and Chinese interference in American politics in 2024 for sure

We can repeat the 2020 election the “most safe and secure” election ever. Funny how Russia and China sat that one out huh? Guess they’d let the other team win one.

Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by arp242 »

perihelions wrote: post #11
praisewhitey wrote: post #3

>She points to a spurious claim that America “wants to blow up” TSMC, a Taiwanese chipmaker. It originated with a misleading video posted on Douyin, the Chinese version of TikTok, which featured an American lawmaker appearing to discuss the possibility. This part stood out to me as I've seen this mentioned several times on HN in the past. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

The HN discussion isn't related to a "misleading video posted on Douyin"; it's based on accurate news reporting about an academic foreign policy paper (which doesn't speak for US foreign policy). https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/05/taiwan_should_destory... ( "US Army journal's top paper from 2021 says Taiwan should destroy TSMC if China invades" ) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012442 ( "Taiwan should dest…

> an academic foreign policy paper (which doesn't speak for the US foreign policy).

From two guys who seem to have no real influence. It's basically little more than a blog post.

A lot of people say a lot of stuff. Sometimes that's pretty stupid. Sometimes even worse. That's kind of how it works in a free society.

The most effective lie is the one with a kernel of truth.

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Post by FormerBandmate »

vuln wrote: post #63
jamesaurichs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's going to be a lot of Russian and Chinese interference in American politics in 2024 for sure

We can repeat the 2020 election the “most safe and secure” election ever. Funny how Russia and China sat that one out huh? Guess they’d let the other team win one.

Neither Russia or China has ever interfered with vote totals. No one has ever claimed that

Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by Supply5411 »

mcphage wrote: post #57
Supply5411 wrote: post #53

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I made no reference to burner accounts, but thanks for tying that into your not-so-subtle accusation against me. I've been here since 2011. Want proof of my identity, check my bio on Github[1] This is exactly what I'm talking about. McCarthy like paranoia. Downvoting people because of how old their accounts are[2], not because of what they wrote. Accusations of burner accounts. It's ridiculous. 1. https://github.com/…

If you've been here since 2011, then why is your account less than a month old?

I've left this place a few times as it's gotten progressively worse. Then I rejoin after some time off, and it's even more warped and hostile to new users.

Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

WiSaGaN wrote: post #13
praisewhitey wrote: post #3

>She points to a spurious claim that America “wants to blow up” TSMC, a Taiwanese chipmaker. It originated with a misleading video posted on Douyin, the Chinese version of TikTok, which featured an American lawmaker appearing to discuss the possibility. This part stood out to me as I've seen this mentioned several times on HN in the past. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

This is said by "Rep. Seth Moulton (Mass.) — one of the Democratic Party’s leading voices on defense": Speaking at a Milken Institute panel in Los Angeles, Moulton said: “One of the interesting ideas that’s been floated out there for deterrence is just making it very clear to the Chinese that if you invade Taiwan, we’re going to blow up TSMC.” He continued: “I just throw that out not because that’s necessarily the be…

None of Taiwan’s fans can run for very long without parts and replacement machinery from the USA or Europe. The tech is pretty locked down, even if production is currently distributed. China doesn’t have much choice but it re-invent the engineering done in the west to catch up (on economical perf, not just perf or economical).

I don’t think the economists get this, but definitely people in the Chinese government are aware that taking Taiwan doesn’t really get them the tech.

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Post by FormerBandmate »

goodbyesf wrote: post #17
jamesaurichs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's going to be a lot of Russian and Chinese interference in American politics in 2024 for sure

If there is any foreign interference, it would be from britain, canada, israel, etc. What russian or chinese interference is there when there is 24/7 anti-russian and anti-chinese propaganda?

Lmfao Rishi Sunsk and Justin Trudeau interfering to protect the rights of the oppressed moose minority, make English one of America’s official languages, and reclaim America for the Crown

I’m not even going to touch the thinly veiled antisemitic smear

Re: China is flooding Taiwan with disinformation

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Post by duxup »

SanjayMehta wrote: post #33
WiSaGaN wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is said by "Rep. Seth Moulton (Mass.) — one of the Democratic Party’s leading voices on defense": Speaking at a Milken Institute panel in Los Angeles, Moulton said: “One of the interesting ideas that’s been floated out there for deterrence is just making it very clear to the Chinese that if you invade Taiwan, we’re going to blow up TSMC.” He continued: “I just throw that out not because that’s necessarily the be…

That’s a bizarre idea. China wants Taiwan because they consider it a renegade province. I doubt they care about one fab.

Yeah I always assumed Taiwan was an ideological / historical kinda thing.

It could be all but a barren rock, same feelings and motivations would apply.

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