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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by sircastor »

kibwen wrote: post #283
sbuk wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?

Everything that I purchase that contains a CPU should be within my power to run arbitrary code upon. Seriously, what site are we even on right now?

Given the context, I’m guessing what you want is to run arbitrary code on an OS that manages the battery, the network, the display, audio in and out, provide a security apparatus... You want all of the benefits of the well-managed, walled garden.

Or did you mean just running ARM Assembly?

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by sircastor »

jkaplowitz wrote: post #243
cmcaleer wrote: post #216

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The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to…

The rumors are that the Pixel 8 and Pixel 8 Pro will launch with a promise of 7 years of updates, including not only security fixes and bug fixes but also feature drops. We’ll see what’s announces next month, but Google might be about to jump ahead of even the iPhone on this point. Disclosure: although I have worked for Google in the past, I haven’t worked for them in more than 8 years, never worked on Android or Pix…

Yeah, my wife’s Pixel 3 came with unlimited photo storage too. It was a selling point… of course, that went away when it became inconvenient for Google.

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Post by evilduck »

isbvhodnvemrwvn wrote: post #306
evilduck wrote: post #137

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Yes. But this is trivializing the definition of monopoly I just warned against. What can't be construed with this logic? Verizon holds a monopoly on the devices they allow on the Verizon network. Wal-Mart holds a monopoly on the products they allow on their retail floor space. Xbox holds a monopoly on their game compatibility. McDonalds holds a monopoly on selling burgers inside McDonalds. You can define these trivia…

Phones are the way of interacting with much of the world, unlike xbox or McDonalds. People consume their news using them, pay their bills, make photos of their kids, communicate with their family. It's a completely different realm. There are two oligopolies on the market - Google (via google play) and Apple (via apple store), both are affected by the law.

Sure, and by existing laws and court rulings they haven't done anything wrong except be a preferred choice by many consumers. This is not comparable in any way to antitrust transgressions that got Microsoft in trouble, nor do they have the market share to manipulate that's comparable to what Windows or Google have had.

FWIW, I also want a more open iOS platform, but I don't think you can demonstrate that they run afoul of any existing antitrust laws or prior precedents either and trying to redefine what a monopoly means, exclusively to to the iPhone, is never going to work.

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Post by wizofaus »

catiopatio wrote: post #219
wizofaus wrote: post #135

Will this include the ability to compile apps for iOS without requiring Apple made hardware/software (that specifically must run on MacOS)? Have never understood why developers haven't kicked up more of a fuss over that restriction, but it's why I would never write iOS apps as a hobby.

> Have never understood why developers haven't kicked up more of a fuss over that restriction It’s an innate limitation, not an arbitrary restriction. Should Apple really be forced to port their tooling — and the entire, massive software stack it’s based on — to other platforms? I assume most developers targeting Apple’s platforms don’t kick up a fuss because they’re happy running macOS.

Just publish the specs for how to build/sign an iOS binary...

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by tmpX7dMeXU »

kibwen wrote: post #318
nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> Fucking good. Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by sugarkjube »

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing

Dream on. I use Firefox on my (android) phone and tablet, and it is seriously crippled. Also evolving in the wrong direction. (becoming more crippled)

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Post by chmod775 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #212
sbuk wrote: post #207

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Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?

Apple did for iPads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5BLs51yDQ https://9to5mac.com/2017/11/16/ipad-pro-whats-a-computer-ad/

Obligatory: https://youtu.be/jCb-WcxO5SU?t=52

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by boringg »

Is this just one big protectionist move? Opening the doors for more EU app companies to rake more money? I'm not even sure which EU companies are spending the big lobbying dollars for this one? Anyone?

Conceptually I'm on board in practice I'm not. Once we actually look at what the other side looks like it's going to be super disappointing. And like everyone else said -- if you don't like the platform go shop for another one theres others out there. No one forced you into the Apple ecosystem.

Can't wait for more Pegasus like exploits.

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