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EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by kibwen »

irrational wrote: post #291
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

> What I don't understand is why some people defend it, Have you tried to understand it? It is pretty clear to me. People like not having to worry about malware, tracking, etc.

This is FUD. Sideloading has not resulted in any of those things on Android.

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Post by shuckles »

kibwen wrote: post #275
HWR_14 wrote: post #264

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Google search, Youtube and many other properties will only work with Chromium as soon as it doesn't mean saying goodbye to iOS users.

The mindset here is so alien to me. Do people think that the EU is willing to take action against Apple, and yet somehow unwilling to take action against Google?

It’s pretty reasonable to believe whatever action it takes will be a long ways away, a period during which the user experience will suffer. You don’t have to believe they’ll never act; you just have to believe they’ll act slowly and poorly. For example, the proposal to force iMessage interoperability which makes little sense and introduces security risks.

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Post by maccard »

redeeman wrote: post #237
maccard wrote: post #190

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It won't be an alternative store, the game will get pulled from the app store. Now, despite the fact that I bought an iOS device to avoid having to deal with shitty third parties, I'm forced to use the epic store and whatever else.

yes, zuckerberg is literally holding a gun to you head, "INSTALL META OR ELSE!"

This sort of comment is incredibly low value and doesn't contribute to the discussion.

I'm not being forced to install Facebook, but I choose to install it on my device. When this changes happens, the choice isn't going to be "install Facebook from the App Store or the Meta Store", it's going to be "install Facebook from the Meta Store". That's not a choice to the user, it's a choice for meta.

A choice for the user is choosing to buy an iPhone with the knowledge that this is a limitation, and if I don't want that limitation, I can buy an android device.

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Post by hocuspocus »

taffer wrote: post #149
ghusto wrote: post #128

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It doesn't seem ridiculous to me, I get where you're coming from. Only I'd say you've been misled. As others have pointed out, you can have both a walled garden store and an Apple curated store — and this is how Android operates. More menacing though, are Apples reasons for not wanting competition. Put simply; if Safari wasn't the only allowed browser on iDevices (other browsers are just skins over what is essentiall…

If there were other app stores besides Apple's for iDevices, Google would require you to download the Play Store to access Gmail, YouTube and Google Maps. Once there's an alternative major app store where Apple's strict privacy rules don't apply, why should companies with a more relaxed privacy stance stay on Apple's store? Your Bank, Facebook, Adobe, and Amazon will likely move to the store with the lowest standards…

That's absolutely not the case on Android, why would it be different on iOS?

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Post by shuckles »

smoldesu wrote: post #276
HWR_14 wrote: post #264

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Google search, Youtube and many other properties will only work with Chromium as soon as it doesn't mean saying goodbye to iOS users.

Google Search, YouTube and many other Google properties are also subject to the same Digital Market Act regulations. Google is a designated gatekeeper, same as Apple.

The DMA largely regulates essential platform services, so it has little to say about YouTube steering users to Chrome, neither of which are platform services on iOS.

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Post by natch »

Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #67

It is understandable why Apple wants to keep its current grip on iOS indefinitely. What I don't understand is why some people defend it, on this very forum! One commenter simultaneously defended gay marriages - "if you don't like gay marriages, don't get married to gays" - and defended the Apple's monopoly - "I like that there is only one Appstore and developers won't force me to sideload".

Because the detractors never acknowledge the good reasons Apple has for locking down the platform.

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Post by labcomputer »

kibwen wrote: post #283
sbuk wrote: post #207

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Who decided the iPhone is a general-purpose computing device?

Everything that I purchase that contains a CPU should be within my power to run arbitrary code upon. Seriously, what site are we even on right now?

The very same site where a significant number of users argue, completely seriously, that game consoles are not general purpose computing devices and, as such, should not be subject to the same rules.

Re: EU tells Apple to open everything up to its rivals

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Post by kibwen »

nunez wrote: post #166

Fucking good. It's bullshit that you can only run Safari on iOS or that the App Store is the only store you can use. Yes, I understand the security implications of a third-party browser having deeper integrations into the OS and potential battery life concerns. I also don't care. I want to run Firefox on my phone. The actual thing. With containers and extensions. Let Safari compete on the merits. I want the choice of…

> Fucking good.

Seconded. Perpetually baffled by the so-called hackers in all of these threads arguing vociferously against user freedom.

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Post by shuckles »

LeoNatan25 wrote: post #255
quickco wrote: post #224

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> iOS is a fantastic operating system. iPhone and iPad are stellar hardware with brilliant physical UX. Apple Watch is leagues beyond anything else in its class. I will keep buying Apple stuff until I can't anymore. People want Apple’s quality, reliability and performance, but also want no restrictions so they can run any app and install anything. Those things aren’t compatible. E.g., Windows and Linux (Desktop distr…

Yes, let’s ignore the macOS elephant in the room, and jump to Windows and Linux to straw-man an argument. There are “no restrictions”, one can “install anything” and “run any app” on that, and still it is … “reliable”? But actually both Windows and Linux are “reliable” too. Windows is much, much stable in terms of backwards compatibility than macOS and certainly iOS. Linux is so reliable that it runs about 99.9% of t…

Calling Windows reliable and saying professionals manage to keep Linux servers running does not help your argument.

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Post by matrix12 »

cmcaleer wrote: post #216
tinus_hn wrote: post #200

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If only there were phones that did exactly what you wanted

The Pixel 5's security update end of life is in two weeks[0]. This is a phone that launched October 2020. My iPhone XS which I bought in 2018 just got the iOS 17 update and it's working pretty well. I want to be able to load whatever I want on my phone, but I also don't want to have to buy a new phone every couple years (or sooner! Looks like the 5a is still in production with security updates ending in 11 months) to…

Graphene OS.
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