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Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by lemming »

dylan604 wrote: post #42
all2 wrote: post #21

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I remember reading awhile back about a study that showed people with the flu are generally more social while the virus is spreading. There's also those nasty sugar cravings that seem to pop up when people diet, and it may be that the microbiome drives those cravings. It's a curious thing to think that the bugs in our bodies may drive our impulses.

the idea that a virus can change the behavior of the host to make it more likely to spread is one of those things that's beyond creepy. lots of scifi based on this, and the ones that are more subtle are much more effective than getting bit by a zombie trope.

This is already well established in humans for toxoplasmosis, for example. It’s a parasite rather than a virus, but it doesn’t seem crazy that a virus might do similar things.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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mistersquid wrote: post #68
pixl97 wrote: post #48

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>It makes you honestly question the idea of freewill. Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". Or, much more simply stated "You're not you when you are hungry".

> Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". You cannot control what you feel, but you can control your actions.

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Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by Viliam1234 »

ad987 wrote: post #157
anon84873628 wrote: post #144

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It's simpler than that. Your thoughts -- the internal monologue deciding what actions to take -- are the result of physical processes in the brain. There is no way those non-physical thoughts are changing the physical processes; they happen after the fact. We have the illusion of being in the driver seat but really we are just along for the ride. This is assuming you adhere only to what science can prove, and not rel…

> There is no way those non-physical thoughts are changing the physical processes; they happen after the fact. How can the truth of this statement be proven? Non-physical thoughts cannot be observed, so they are out of reach of being tested for being correct.

> Non-physical thoughts cannot be observed

We wouldn't even be able to talk about them, because if we did, there would be a causal chain starting with a non-psysical thought and ending with moving a (physical) tongue. So somewhere along that chain, a non-physical thing would need to make a physical thing move. How exactly?

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by AnthonBerg »

neongodzilla wrote: post #99
mistersquid wrote: post #68

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> Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". You cannot control what you feel, but you can control your actions.

You have clearly never met someone having a hypoglycemic event. It can absolutely change their personality, as significantly as a head injury.

Hyperglycemia does too. (High blood sugar.) It’s known as diabetic rage. A number of things are happening there. Part of it is brain inflammation – experienced as suffering – and brain inflammation is directly behavior-modifying, causing aggression.

And indeed that’s what happens with traumatic brain injuries.

The same mechanism is behind the aggression sometimes displayed by cocaine users. Cocaine tamps down brain inflammation short-term, increases it long-term.

And indeed, people with traumatic brain injuries and central nervous system inflammation tend to have more problems with cocaine abuse.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by t0bia_s »

Interesting how this topic is discussed now. After lock downs, spending most time afront of screen, without socialising with other, constantly breeding with catastrophic scenarios withou any hope for future... In some countries even with forcing to take vaccines that do more harm to children than covid itself.

We should seriously ask if we do it for our children protection or fear from propaganda.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by amenhotep »

pixl97 wrote: post #48
thenerdhead wrote: post #16

> Dr Pittenger says it is now clear that covid-19 infections can trigger psychosis, fatigue and other neuro-psychiatric symptoms. A misbehaving immune system is thought to be the culprit. The idea that schizophrenia may, at least sometimes, likewise be an auto-immune disorder is also under investigation. Until I got long covid(generally recovered now after 2 years), I couldn't comprehend this idea. I felt like I was…

>It makes you honestly question the idea of freewill. Not eating and getting low blood sugar can much more simply answer the question of "Do I have free will, or am I a subject of my internal chemical reactions". Or, much more simply stated "You're not you when you are hungry".

The sophistry here is the unsupported framing of the two as mutually exclusive. What do you think "you", the entity that does or does not have free will, are, other than a system of internal chemical reactions? Are you a soulist?

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by tasty_freeze »

kouru225 wrote: post #154
tasty_freeze wrote: post #145

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I reject your sweeping statement "science has spent the last 1.5 centuries presenting itself as a counterpoint to religion." Science is a process of trying to explain why things as they are and to predict how things will behave in the future. Many (in ye olden days nearly all) scientists have been religious. There is a conflict only when the two come to different explanations of the same thing. That conflict wasn't t…

I don’t think I was implying that science intended to reject religion. I don’t think it matters what the scientific community intended though. Currently, science socially functions as a rejection of religion regardless of what the leaders of the scientific community think or say, and that social function results a bias against subconscious issues for the reason I explained in my other comments. The reasons why scienc…

> The majority of the world think that science and religion are clashing forces, and it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.

That is really a broad claim. Science isn't one thing and religion isn't one thing. Both are clouds of ideas/claims/customs and there is some overlap. I'd argue that most of the time there is no conflict at all and most people don't perceive it as a "clash".

There will always be people who will say that we shouldn't have invented airplanes -- God would have given us wings if he wanted man to fly, but they are in the minority. Most of the time, there is a news item that "science" has invented a battery anode that results in a battery with 20% more capacity and people cheer it and don't think it stepped on God's toes. Religious people will say that God wishes for us to not eat meat on certain days and nobody looks to science to see if that is true or not.

Stephen Jay Gould was famous for his "non-overlapping magisteria" claim [1] -- which I'm arguing is true most of the time, but also see that Gould was painting way too broadly as there certainly are cases where the two are in conflict.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-overlapping_magisteria

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by jinder »

whimsicalism wrote: post #40
jeroen wrote: post #30

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Did you learn anything that helped in your recovery? I'm 1.5 years in and nowhere near a full recovery yet.

Would recommend CBT. e: I'm downvoted but this is one of the only treatments with best-in-class evidence for its effectiveness in treating long covid as well as CFS and IBS. The body is a complex organism.

Where is the best-in-class evidence that CBT is effective at treating long covid and chronic fatigue syndrome?

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by AnthonBerg »

whimsicalism wrote: post #40
jeroen wrote: post #30

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Did you learn anything that helped in your recovery? I'm 1.5 years in and nowhere near a full recovery yet.

Would recommend CBT. e: I'm downvoted but this is one of the only treatments with best-in-class evidence for its effectiveness in treating long covid as well as CFS and IBS. The body is a complex organism.

This is a very, very tall claim:

this is one of the only treatments with best-in-class evidence

Firstly, one would expect to see indications of the evidence for cognitive behavioral therapy working for a complex long-term illness with multiple documented physiological issues.

Random paper: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S089662732...

Second, which class of evidence are you referring to?

Third, to back the comparison in the claim you also need to present the lack of evidence for other treatments. This makes your claim very, very tall.

Re: Common infections can spark psychiatric illnesses in children

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Post by version_five »

The scariest part of this is that it appears to be country dependent how seriously it is taken and how those presenting with symptoms are addressed. I have no idea if I'm in a pandas-accepting country, but knowing this now I'd certainly find a jurisdiction willing to entertain it's existence if my kids had symptoms. It shows how subjective and uncertain medicine really is.
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