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Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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The trouble with this argument (which gets made a lot) is that this is basically every large retailer. Walmart has great value, Safeway has safeway select, Target has good and gather. In all of these cases large retailers take well-performing products (i.e. look at their sales data to see what is selling well) and creates mimics. They put the generics right next to the original products, and then charge the original…

> The trouble with this argument (which gets made a lot) is that this is basically every large retailer. Alternatively: there's no trouble at all, Walmart/Safeway/etc are all clearly engaging in this anti-competitive practice and must be reigned in. Marketplaces need to be regulated as neutral grounds for sellers, the marketplace cannot double-dip and compete against sellers or engage in practices that reduce competi…

I have come to this same conclusion as well.

Too many economic opinions are still predicated on the idea that the free market is still working correctly, and that there are effective controls in place. The reality is that - at least in the US - the controls are broken, and have been for a decade or more.

Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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I signed up as a Seller on Amazon a while back, with one primary goal: sell extra copies of my book, published by Pantheon Books in 2017. The publisher offered me boxes of them at dirt-cheap prices and I took them up on their offer. So I started selling on Amazon, and I set my price as the lowest possible for "New" condition hardcover. For a while my price got listed on the main book product page. Only briefly though…

> They were pissed I had a super-low price... they swept in and shut me down, with some kind of made-up lie about COUNTERFEIT If true, we have a name for this, its called fraud. Little people like you and me go to prison for it.

It is funny, that small and even sometimes medium business owners go to jail over things like fraud, failure to pay taxes, even labor violations. I remember local instances being reported on in the our (thankfully still around) local paper.

Yet, if you are big enough, the government can barely muster the strength to issue a fine. Rarely to executives at big firms go to jail unless there was something Enron sized egregious happening

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"most customer-centric company" I don't think anybody actually buys that line. Do they believe that internally?

The funny thing about slogans is that you can almost always count on the sloganeer to embody the opposite: - Don't be evil - Drain the swamp - Hope and Change

- “Free”

Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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FBA seller here. A lot of mom and pop businesses (~$20 million) have been built on Amazon over the past 10 years. Most of us are in the $250k to $5 million dollar range. The impact of Amazon’s monopoly power is felt big time by us as we’re being squeezed with no place left to go online especially post-iOS change. Our second option used to be the Facebook/Instagram/TikTok to Shopify connection but with that being dead…

I ran a small FBA business for a year nowhere near any scale and it was an interesting lesson. People who weigh in on these tech topics should actually try these things out to understand them better. It's nothing like listing on eBay where there's some haircut off the top and that's that. There are fees for - accepting inventory, holding inventory, returning unsold inventory, shipping sales, processing returns, destr…

Ebay doesn't do fulfillment, which is why they take a smaller cut.

Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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I signed up as a Seller on Amazon a while back, with one primary goal: sell extra copies of my book, published by Pantheon Books in 2017. The publisher offered me boxes of them at dirt-cheap prices and I took them up on their offer. So I started selling on Amazon, and I set my price as the lowest possible for "New" condition hardcover. For a while my price got listed on the main book product page. Only briefly though…

Your story is a true tragedy and hearing such stories makes me feel sad.

I believe it’s, mostly, these unfair, monopolistic practices that made those companies giants because they can, technically, crush anyone willing to swim in their red ocean.

Normally, you could easily file a lawsuit against them and got them pay you 10x the damage they caused.

Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, EXCEPT when money is involved. if money is involved, and it can be explained by malice, then it is malice, every time. the other seller likely reported you as counterfeit, and Amazon believed them.

> never attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity, EXCEPT when money is involved The FAANG corollary: When you make it a point of pride to only hire the smartest, most elite engineers on the planet, presumption of stupidity no longer applies.

Grueling rounds of leetcode interviews and system architecture questions doesn’t exactly select for either common sense or detailed knowledge of either human nature or even retail.

Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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Albertsons + Kroger is like 90% of the market in Seattle, where I live, though.

With the remainder being made up of Trader Joe's and ... ... Amazon

Yeah although TJ's is like 6% of the marketshare of the big two (and Whole Foods / Amazon is ~5%) (see sibling comments).

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DVDs could be purchased and played on any player. Most of the non-Amazon ebook world uses Adobe DRM.

As someone that was into DVDs from other regions, this comment is laughably wrong. Edit: Heck, just playing movies on my computer DVD drives was less than straight forward. For the longest time you basically had to feel like a hacker to get it working on a linux machine.

It wasn’t perfect, but it was better than the current situation with ebooks. You could go into an electronics retailer and choose one of a dozen DVD players then drive across town to video store and buy or rent any DVD and the chances that the two things would work together was very high.

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Guessing this is also related, from page 10: Amazon has implemented an algorithm for the express purpose of deterring other online stores from offering lower prices. [redacted] Rather than trying to compete, Amazon uses [redacted] Ultimately, this conduct is meant to deter rivals from attempting to compete on price altogether-competition that could bring lower prices to tens of millions of American households. As a r…

What especially rankles is how Amazon doesn’t give a fuck about counterfeits. So they’re allowing counterfeits (amplifying the mentioned effect) to discourage direct-sellers from attempting to compete on price. Meanwhile, I have to order from direct sellers to be sure I will get a genuine, new product. So I don’t even get Amazon’s lower-but-still-higher-than-optimal price, but a yet higher one. As far as I’m concerne…

You might still be getting products from the same inventory pool in an Amazon warehouse when ordering directly if the company uses Amazon's Multi-Channel Fulfillment offering. They sell on their site, tell Amazon about the sale, then Amazon ships it to the customer. They even offer the option to ship it in unbranded boxes so that customers don't know the order is being fulfilled by Amazon.

Re: FTC sues Amazon for illegally maintaining monopoly power

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Interesting idea - has anyone tried this? Does Amazon retaliate and ban you permanently if you win?

If you're already banned, you might as well try to get what you can out of the situation.

Can’t the court file an injunction against banning?

I always wondered what would courts do about extrajudicial retaliation

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