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Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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People produce less text with more errors in more time on mobile. I actively avoid having to type anything on mobile. If I have my laptop open, I'll use whatsapp or signal on that. I often wait replying on either of those until I get my laptop. Just way less frustrating to not have to correct >25% of my key presses. If I have to use the mobile keyboard, I'll often just send a message with typos, no capitals, and skip…

My problem on the Android Samsung keyboard is the positioning of the backspace key. When typing a word containing an "m", I'll often hit backspace instead, causing a lot of editing, for example "example" becomes "exple".

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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Speaking of selecting text, at least on Android there is a trend in both Google and third-party messaging apps of only letting you copy the entire message, not a substring thereof. I wish I could take a peek into the brain of whoever came up with that idea -- ideally, after removing it with a large, sharp rock.

Most of the time the user just wants to share the entire speech bubble and it is way easier this way instead of fiddling with beginning and endpoints

I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to share an entire speech bubble, without any context (as in a screenshot).

On the other hand, it's obvious that given a message like "My address is 123 Xyzzy Rd, come anytime," the user would only want to select a subset, not the entire message.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I hate that mobile has become the default platform for a lot of applications and desktop is a second class citizen.

Is this because application developers are simply going where the people are? Or is there better data harvesting to be had on your average iOS/Android app with blindly accepted permissions than there is in the average desktop browser.

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Swipe is terrible and i dont know how people even use it

Works well for me. You just type with one hand without ever lifting your thumb. You do need to set the correct language, and if you mix languages, your phone's OS has to be able to deal with that, but at least on iOS that is the case and the prediction is very good. If the first choice isn't correct, usually the first or second displayed alternative is what I wanted. There are two caveats, though. Firstly, I type dif…

I do have large hands too but i dont feel the need for swipe. I use the autocomplete function much more

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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The iPad keyboard has a floating option that takes swipe input. There used to be a split keyboard option, which I actually used all the time, but it was removed from newer models for unfathomable reasons.

Wait, wait.... The new iPads don't support the split keyboard SOFTWARE FEATURE that is still present in the latest OS release and still working on "supported" hardware? I thought the removal of the orientation lock switch was user-hostile, but damn; this is another level.

I would think it does support it... In my iPad Air (latest model) I somehow ended up stuck with a split keyboard for a bit until I managed to restore it.

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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I'm actually rather surprised that we're still using qwerty layouts on touchscreen devices.

Of all the possible ways to input text with your thumbs, this is undoubtedly one of the worst.

I'm sure plenty of people have tried to come up with alternate keyboards, maybe a radial layout or something, but when I look, I don't see a whole lot of activity in this space.

There's got to be a better way, surely.

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I don't know about IPhone but on Android its simply impossible to Paste text between two words. You can't paste text into cursor position you can only replace selected text with Pasted text. Thats my main biggest issue. Also, why the fuck there no Copy/Paste buttons on mobile keyboard??

I really like the additional controls AnySoftKeyboard[1] brings: I like to configure it so that it always displays a left/right arrow above the keyboard to move the cursor. And if you "lift" (gesture up) the space key, there is an additional copy/paste (with clipboard manager)/arrows/selection/undo/redo/etc menu, which is quite useful[2]. Unfortunately I stopped using it in favor of OpenBoard[3] due to subpar autocor…

I'll have to try OpenBoard. Right now I'm using ASK and I really want to like it, but it's just slightly too janky and rigid. The customizability is nowhere near good enough. There's too many behaviors that seem hardcoded and impossible to change. Like when my battery is below 15%, autocorrect and haptics are turned off. Who thought that was a good idea?! Now my phone is almost useless for typing when the battery is low.

I really miss Swiftkey :(

Re: Text editing on mobile: the invisible problem

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swype was so damn good and nothing comes even close. too bad it got killed off. windows phone keyboard was good too. the key "hitbox" would grow or shrink based on predictive text and typing speed, so if you're writing something from the dictionary you could just slap the rough area of the button and it would register the most likely one. You'd feel it though when typing in something from outside the dictionary, sudd…

On Gboard you can slide on the spacebar to move the cursor.

Apple lets you do this, too, but it's really not better than Swype's method. The Gboard/Apple method resembles the description in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy about radios that could be tuned by pointing - "[it] meant that you had to sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same programme." Take your finger off the screen too roughly and you get a last little bit of motion.

That's not necessarily an everyone problem, but for all the people who complain about how big phones are and how they would like a smaller one, I have big hands and find an iPhone Pro Max to be a comfortable one-handed fit (I also found the OG Xbox "Duke" controller quite comfortable).

On Swype, you could click over two spaces to the right, or left, or up, and konw that it wouldn't move.

Did I mention the Swype key? Swype-A, Z, X, C, V worked exactly like you expected from computers. Swype-space did something, maybe bring up the edit board? Capitalize a word by going up above the keyboard before finishing the word, and double a letter (as vs ass, for example) by squiggling around on it before moving on to the next letter.

It had one fault for most of its life: the word "me", which is very common especially in text messaging, was frequently interpreted as "nee", which given that I'm not a wedding planner doesn't come up often. And yet even that was better than the horrendous Apple swipe misread that gives me "Abbas" when I mean "and". The only Abbas I know is the Palestinian politician, and he's not in my contact list. And I don't ever write about him except to complain that Apple just keeps doing this substitution.

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