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Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by chrisco255 »

bnralt wrote: post #51
chrisco255 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it would be like making the same exact accusation, as if the Patriots got caught using steroids two years before and now two years later you suspect they are still using them.

It's literally impossible for him to cheat in the exact same way. An online cheater tabs out to an engine to see the move and act accordingly. You simply can't do that in an in person match with a crowd of people watching. Hence why there’s talk about sex toys - people are trying to come up with some way that some sort of signal could be sent to Niemann while he was being watched by a crowd of people, without a singl…

It doesn't need to be a sex toy, obviously. $5 worth of parts from Ali Baba could be assembled into a signaling tool:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Type-C-Bluetooth-5-0-...

There's even prebuilt solutions for things like poker:

https://www.cardslenses.com/remote-contorl-poker-game-vibrat...

https://elie.net/blog/security/royal-flush-an-in-depth-look-...

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by uranusjr »

ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

Side note, but do you mean it reeks of a witch hunt? (Just making sure.)

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by MerelyMortal »

mcpackieh wrote: post #55
bnralt wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn’t be the same behavior, though. No one is able to really come up with a good explanation of how Niemann cheated in a game where he was being watched by a crowd of people. Hence the sex toy theory; one has to come up with some outlandish guesses to make it work. Cheating on an online chess game is a completely different beast. It would be like if a team was losing to the Patriots, and they walked away and cl…

If an archeologist gets caught trying to pass off an orangutan jaw as an ancient human bone, concedes that he's done so, then two years later announces that he found another ancient human skull, do you really care to waste your time figuring out what kind of monkey he used this time? He's a known liar, so throw his paper in the trash and forget about it. It shouldn't matter how Niemann cheated this time, or even if h…

I find it odd that Magnus didn't have a problem competing against Niemann up until the point he lost.

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by MerelyMortal »

hx8 wrote: post #54
gorkish wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's a confirmed cheater. No; it's confirmed that he has cheated. If you believe that this is a quality of a person that cannot be changed or rehabilitated, that is fine, but you should take ownership of it and not attempt to represent it as a fact.

I too often compete in environments where a single confirmed act of cheating bars the player from any future participation. It isn't about the individual, it's about the sport. I think losing access to a sport is a valid punishment for confirmed cheating. In this specific situation, I will admit that being a minor muddies the issue. * The confirmed cheater is more likely to cheat in the future than a normal player, w…

Why was Niemann allowed to play up until the point that he beat Magnus then?

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by ChicagoBoy11 »

uranusjr wrote: post #62
ChicagoBoy11 wrote: post #17

This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…

Side note, but do you mean it reeks of a witch hunt? (Just making sure.)

I... did mean that. And, I have a suspicion I may have written it incorrectly many other times in the past, so thanks for pointing it out!

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by lores »

MerelyMortal wrote: post #63
mcpackieh wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an archeologist gets caught trying to pass off an orangutan jaw as an ancient human bone, concedes that he's done so, then two years later announces that he found another ancient human skull, do you really care to waste your time figuring out what kind of monkey he used this time? He's a known liar, so throw his paper in the trash and forget about it. It shouldn't matter how Niemann cheated this time, or even if h…

I find it odd that Magnus didn't have a problem competing against Niemann up until the point he lost.

Conversely, Magnus loses against other people regularly, so why single out Niemann?

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by hx8 »

MerelyMortal wrote: post #64
hx8 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I too often compete in environments where a single confirmed act of cheating bars the player from any future participation. It isn't about the individual, it's about the sport. I think losing access to a sport is a valid punishment for confirmed cheating. In this specific situation, I will admit that being a minor muddies the issue. * The confirmed cheater is more likely to cheat in the future than a normal player, w…

Why was Niemann allowed to play up until the point that he beat Magnus then?

I'm not too familiar with Chess' specific rules. I'm just saying that they are more lenient on cheating than many of the compeitive communities I participate in.

Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat

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Post by bsder »

bnralt wrote: post #51
chrisco255 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it would be like making the same exact accusation, as if the Patriots got caught using steroids two years before and now two years later you suspect they are still using them.

It's literally impossible for him to cheat in the exact same way. An online cheater tabs out to an engine to see the move and act accordingly. You simply can't do that in an in person match with a crowd of people watching. Hence why there’s talk about sex toys - people are trying to come up with some way that some sort of signal could be sent to Niemann while he was being watched by a crowd of people, without a singl…

You don't need much of a signal.

At that level, a simple signal that "Your opponent made a mistake and there is a line greater than +3 right now! Look for it." would be a huge advantage.

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