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Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by jcfrei »

blawson wrote: post #86

FWIW I get the right answer on Google right now when I try: Can you melt an egg? No - if you heat an egg it's not like melting ice (or metal). Because an egg contains a substantial amount of carefully folded natural proteins in their native state.

I get the following snippet: Yes, an egg can be melted," reads the Google Search result shared by Glaiel and confirmed by others. "The most common way to melt an egg is to heat it using a stove or microwave. Which is still wrong but hilariously links to an ars technica article about the aforementioned tweet.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by sp332 »

gniv wrote: post #40

They removed that answer from the original query [can you melt eggs] but it still works with [can you melt down eggs].

Right now, "can you melt down an egg" says no, and links to Ars Technica's article about the Quora problem as the source. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/09/can-y...

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Post by upwardbound »

kedean wrote: post #149
zadik wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You might expand that initialism, I don't feel like it's a well known one. I assume MOC is a person?

Possibly Michael O. Church: https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Michael-O-Church-banned-from-Q...

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by SergeAx »

KRAKRISMOTT wrote: post #162
alasdair_ wrote: post #153

Quora is clearly doing this so that they rank highly on Google and get clicks. What surprises me is that Google doesn't seem to care, despite their stance that "Using automation—including AI—to generate content with the primary purpose of manipulating ranking in search results is a violation of our spam policies." https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2023/02/google-sea...

Quora's boss seats on Open AI's board.

Source?

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by eurekin »

marcosdumay wrote: post #140
eurekin wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Theoretically, in a ozone-less environment and providing they don't sublime first

Hum... Nope. Eggs are not homogeneous substances or mixtures for what the word "melt" even makes sense. But also, most of an egg's mass is composed of substances that suffer chemical transformations in much lower temperatures than other parts can melt (at any pressure). Even if there is no oxygen on your environment, an egg will decompose itself before all of it is molten.

Interesting. I assumed that if rocks can melt, so would any substance given enough heat. Granted, not without chemical interactions (I assumed burning wouldn't count), but with protein they would at least unfold (denaturate).

This paper seems to at least hint at the possibility:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21095941/

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by joelthelion »

itsoktocry wrote: post #156
alasdair_ wrote: post #153

Quora is clearly doing this so that they rank highly on Google and get clicks. What surprises me is that Google doesn't seem to care, despite their stance that "Using automation—including AI—to generate content with the primary purpose of manipulating ranking in search results is a violation of our spam policies." https://developers.google.com/search/blog/2023/02/google-sea...

> Quora is clearly doing this so that they rank highly on Google and get clicks. Quora is garbage and always has been. For a while people thought it was going to be the place where smart insiders provided great answers. Then it turned into another spammy Q&A site that forces you to log in..because VCs need their money.

For a short period of time it was indeed a good place to get answers from knowledgeable people, and they allowed a wider range of questions than Stack Exchange, which was nice.

But it's been complete garbage for several years now. The space is ripe for disruption :)

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by pixl97 »

tchalla wrote: post #154
kr0bat wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When do you stop digging? When you reach a primary source? If I can't get a cheap, reliable answer to a simple question without looking into a potentially dense primary source, then online search becomes about as useful as a library card. Besides, not every domain is expected to include primary sources. Did the author of this recipe really think that a wok is better than a skillet for fried rice, or is this the writt…

You can’t outsource intuition - you have to build it yourself. You need to be willing to look like a fool and be wrong. It’s less a question of when to stop digging and more a question of self awareness and ability to keep an open mind.

>You can’t outsource intuition

Isn't that the entire purpose of the scientific method?

Intuition doesn't scale. The behavior of radioactive materials is not intuitive. If I attempt pure intuition alone, I'm going to die of butt cancer or turning into a zombie or some crap.

Bullshit Asymmetry becomes a huge problem here. If I have to worry that every single thing is a lie or is otherwise going to kill me, I, and society at large goes on the defensive. This allows things like fascist leaders to get elected under the guise of protecting me from the 'big bad world'.

We are in for a lot of bad shit, and we can already see this unfolding in politics.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by goodluckchuck »

ncallaway wrote: post #175
goodluckchuck wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know that critical thinking can be taught. However, you may be right that schools aren’t creating circumstances for children to learn it. I don’t know. What I do know is that most of the information that has ever existed (or will ever exist) is false. Because information can only be true to an extent, from a perspective, and for a purpose. If you change the scope and purpose of a discussion and look at it fro…

If we have to go through a holocaust or a genocide to get to that utopia where people can sift through this flood of information with well-honed critical thinking skills, will it be worth it? Because, in the extremes, that’s what we’re talking about. Genocides often come as the result of a long disinformation and dehumanization campaign.

I think you’re viewing this completely backwards. With a more free and efficient public discourse the opportunity for disinformation and dehumanization is reduced.

Sure, some idiots on the internet will be saying x, y, and z, but that’s not very effective. It’ll only be roughly as effective as their claims are true. Historically these campaigns would be waged by groups with overwhelming culture-making powers, who could get away with campaigns that were much more divorced from reality: the church, the state, corpora media, etc. For those groups, the truth didn’t matter because they controlled society… they controlled the “Truth.”

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by FartyMcFarter »

joelthelion wrote: post #187
itsoktocry wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Quora is clearly doing this so that they rank highly on Google and get clicks. Quora is garbage and always has been. For a while people thought it was going to be the place where smart insiders provided great answers. Then it turned into another spammy Q&A site that forces you to log in..because VCs need their money.

For a short period of time it was indeed a good place to get answers from knowledgeable people, and they allowed a wider range of questions than Stack Exchange, which was nice. But it's been complete garbage for several years now. The space is ripe for disruption :)

Yeah I used to be delighted every time I received the weekly digest in my email. Nowadays I still read it ocasionally, but it's mostly garbage unfortunately.
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