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Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by adrr »

cddotdotslash wrote: post #4

One of the biggest arguments I remember being made back when net neutrality was a hot topic was that ISPs would bundle and sell specific websites as tiered plans. Infographics like this one [1] were shared widely. Has this happened in the US? I’ve definitely seen ISPs start to apply data caps and throttling, but haven’t seen the aforementioned packaging (at least with the major ISPs). I ask because this is one of the…

It happens on airplanes and paid WiFi. Some allow free browsing of certain sites and charge for full access. Some airlines charge more for streaming access. Some provide basic messaging on a low priced tier.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by vxNsr »

simiones wrote: post #64
UnlockedSecrets wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exempting services from data caps is not against net neutrality, and for example has been regular practice all across Europe (which has "net neutrality"). UPS doesn't care if it is a Nike shirt or a Gucci shirt in a box, They just deliver the box where it is meant to go. Why should it be any different for an ISP?

I would honestly be shocked if UPS didn't have different agreements with big shippers.

They do, big shippers pay less because they cost less to support and UPS makes it up in volume. Pirateship.com takes advantage of that discounted volume rate, compare their prices to the ones on UPS’s website.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by 6DM »

_fat_santa wrote: post #59
brightball wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mobile providers are a different beast because there’s a limit on radio spectrum. Throttling is necessary.

Eh, I'd argue it's still a business decision. It's still possible to find "true unlimited" data plans with some companies. I've got one with Cricket Wireless.

It's unlimited but throttled during peak usage so that the primary network customers get priority. I think cricket wireless is an MNVO, see the drawbacks of an MNVO here:

https://utilitiesone.com/comparing-mobile-virtual-network-op...

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by sershe »

toyg wrote: post #140
sershe wrote: post #115

Semi-unrelated, on bundling: about 20-25 years ago, there were a bunch of these tiny hyper-local ISPs in Russia that would wire up several adjacent flat blocks with a LAN, get an internet uplink and start signing customers within those flat blocks (your only other option at that time was dial-up). The uplink was probably expensive and so they charged per Gb (or had a very low cap) but... "a free local share with tera…

The first pure-fiber ISP in Italy effectively had the same for many, many years. Because speeds were so good between their customers but still slow towards the wider internet (this was the early '00s), they effectively closed both eyes as people established mega-shares with all sorts of goodness. I think they eventually cracked down on it, but it went on for at least a decade.

In the Russian case, ISP itself would host the share :)

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by alistairSH »

lesuorac wrote: post #52
UnlockedSecrets wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Exempting services from data caps is not against net neutrality, and for example has been regular practice all across Europe (which has "net neutrality"). UPS doesn't care if it is a Nike shirt or a Gucci shirt in a box, They just deliver the box where it is meant to go. Why should it be any different for an ISP?

> UPS doesn't care if it is a Nike shirt or a Gucci shirt in a box, They just deliver the box where it is meant to go. Why should it be any different for an ISP? While I like NN there is a strict different between an ISP and UPS because of the digital/physical realm. When UPS delivers a Nike shirt they have to deliver that specific shirt to that specific person. An ISP needent deliver a specific shirt that originated…

Amazon has distributed warehouses, when I order that Patagucci shirt, it could be any one of many from several warehouses.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by vxNsr »

CalRobert wrote: post #7
cddotdotslash wrote: post #4

One of the biggest arguments I remember being made back when net neutrality was a hot topic was that ISPs would bundle and sell specific websites as tiered plans. Infographics like this one [1] were shared widely. Has this happened in the US? I’ve definitely seen ISPs start to apply data caps and throttling, but haven’t seen the aforementioned packaging (at least with the major ISPs). I ask because this is one of the…

I seem to recall seeing it more a few years ago but there were definitely "Unlimited whatsapp" etc. style deals around. Maybe it's less relevant as data has gotten cheap enough so as to be a non-issue for most people. https://www.androidauthority.com/freedompop-sim-card-unlimit... for instance (but that's old)

NN rules didn’t (and likely won’t) affect mobile carriers due to the limited nature of wireless spectrum, the FCC views throttling and data prioritization as a necessary evil.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by no_wizard »

lr4444lr wrote: post #11
cddotdotslash wrote: post #4

One of the biggest arguments I remember being made back when net neutrality was a hot topic was that ISPs would bundle and sell specific websites as tiered plans. Infographics like this one [1] were shared widely. Has this happened in the US? I’ve definitely seen ISPs start to apply data caps and throttling, but haven’t seen the aforementioned packaging (at least with the major ISPs). I ask because this is one of the…

The sky was supposed to fall if net neutrality were abrogated, and IME, that hasn't happened. The only change I (and people I know) witnessed was throttling once broad data limits were exceeded, which IIRC wasn't what was at stake, and which I for one didn't object to, i.e., that people would have to pay for what they use. In short, I have not seen bandwidth or pricing weaponized at all to target specific businesses…

They instead hit consumers with data caps which you either pay overages against, or they had you sign up for additional add on which was, on average, $20-$30 more a month increase in your bill, for the same traffic, under net neutrality terms, that would not have cost more, because this would not be allowed.

I've seen the margins ISPs make on these connections, and they went from acceptable but good to absurd, its not like they were starved by net neutrality either.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by dragonwriter »

wredue wrote: post #91
mattnewton wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it doesn’t lose merit because the fight isn’t over. It’s not like all major ISPs are going to immediately ramp up to 11; even if they wanted to make that blunder while people are still clearly educated about the issue and paying attention, negotiating payments for services exempt from traffic shaping is a long b2b sales cycle that has only started. They are going to slowly boil the frog after watching the others g…

Yeah. This thread is getting to me. Okay. Net neutrality died and ISPs didn’t immediately turn the internet in to subscriptions to different cloud providers. The fact is that they CAN, and to be so deliriously ignorant as to believe that “it didn’t happen yet, so it will never happen” is just… what is happening here? Is this thread just ChatGPT bots? Regardless of if Microsoft, google, Amazon and ISPs have not yet ma…

> Okay. Net neutrality died and ISPs didn’t immediately turn the internet in to subscriptions to different cloud providers.

It didn't die, it temporarily stopped being the federal rule with the clear likelihood that it would be restored with the next Democratic administration and with a number of states adopting NN regulations.

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