It's really gross that the BBC are taking the shamelessly crass question by Piers Morgan during his interview and running it in their headline. It's a classic case of "damned if you, damned if you don't" for Niemann. No one has ever seriously believed this accusation, but this is the first time he's been asked the question point blank and so he had to give an answer. I don't expect any less from Piers Morgan, but we should leave the shameless style of interview question to his corner of journalism and not promote it.
Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
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Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#42He's a confirmed cheater. We just don't know for sure that he cheated in that match in particular. I'm used to games where if someone is caught cheating they're just banned from competitive aspects of the activity going forward. giving them a chance to get better at hiding their cheating doesn't work for games like chess. He should just go to a different pursuit.
I read the argument last that he would have needed "James Bond-level tech" to cheat against Magnus, but I'm skeptical.
So bluetooth, wifi, or 4g?
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
chess.com should release the cheating probabilities of every titled player who has ever registered and verified on chess.com . That would be the only fair thing to do. It should be in fact updated dynamically and visible on a player's profile at all times.
I agree, but the standard rebuttal is that this would allow cheaters to quickly learn the algorithm, which relies heavily on secrecy to disguise the tools they use to detect cheating. What say you?
Whatsoever algorithm they use is some variation of taking the diff of engine moves vs. historically played moves vs. moves played at a certain rating. This is not complicated, contentious nor does it sound like it is worth of a trade secret.
Even if they do wish to use a private or proprietary standard to ban or suspend a user officially, they can still use a public standard (can even publish the code on Github for example) and show a standing statistic on a player's profile page using that public algorithm.
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#44He's a confirmed cheater. We just don't know for sure that he cheated in that match in particular. I'm used to games where if someone is caught cheating they're just banned from competitive aspects of the activity going forward. giving them a chance to get better at hiding their cheating doesn't work for games like chess. He should just go to a different pursuit.
> He's a confirmed cheater. No; it's confirmed that he has cheated. If you believe that this is a quality of a person that cannot be changed or rehabilitated, that is fine, but you should take ownership of it and not attempt to represent it as a fact.
I think it's more about protecting ourselves. I believe people have the capacity to change but I weigh that against the FACT that there will be people who don't. 20 cheaters (of which 19 would have changed their ways) not getting to compete is preferable to the damage that 1 cheater would inflict.
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
> only two year before He's 20 today, and the convroversy was last year. It seems more like three years, in a period of one's life where a person probably does the most changing. (FWIW, I don't play chess or have side, it's just an interesting issue.)
Did he get caught then and suffer actual consequences? Because if not it's not as if character development happens automatically, especially if there are significant gains to be had from cheating.
I don't pretend to know what causes people to change, so I can't answer your question where it seems like you're implying that he would only change if that was the case.
All I know is that he admited to it, so if that's "getting caught", I imagine he has receicved consequences from his admission.
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#46It's really gross that the BBC are taking the shamelessly crass question by Piers Morgan during his interview and running it in their headline. It's a classic case of "damned if you, damned if you don't" for Niemann. No one has ever seriously believed this accusation, but this is the first time he's been asked the question point blank and so he had to give an answer. I don't expect any less from Piers Morgan, but we…
He also specifically asked if he used "anal beads", which are a specific thing, so even if he did use a different sex toy to cheat, he could've answered that honestly.
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#47This has gotten so ridiculous to the point that I actually feel bad for Neimann. He has admitted to cheating, there's no debate about that. But he maintains that he has cheated in two isolated incidents, at age 12 and 16. These are mistakes, and given he is a titled player, very serious mistakes. But, beyond barring him from chess.com (a platform with whom his chief accuser has significant business ties), they've abs…
I mean Chess.com has made a fairly strong claim that it's not just two incidents. Also which part of the lawsuit [1] do you think was decided wrongly? [1]: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65592749/niemann-v-carl...
Did you actually read the final decision [1]?
The case was dismissed by a federal court because the plaintiff failed to show a plausible Sherman Act antitrust violation and because the remaining defamation, libel, tortious interference, etc. claims should be litigated in state courts.
They didn’t actually determine whether the cheating claims were true or not. They didn’t even consider the question.
[1] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.moed.19...
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#48The chess community is entirely too forgiving. This entire affair should have been over and done with as soon as Niemann admitted to cheating at 16 for profit in prize matches. Chess orgs/competitions should ban him for life and move on, it's not like there's some shortage of other people to play chess with.
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#49Haha. I first read that headline as "Hans Niemann dies using vibrating sex toy"
Me too. What a way to go.
Re: Chess grandmaster Hans Niemann denies using vibrating sex toy to cheat
#50I never believed this for a moment, and I think the accusation was so disingenuous and in poor taste that it borders on obnoxiousness. Carlsen has an ego problem. To be fair, Neimann has been accused of cheating when he was a teenager, but based on the world champions behavior I'm willing to give Neimann the benefit of the doubt. Magnus got beat and he couldn't handle it.
> Magnus got beat and he couldn't handle it. I've repeatedly seen Carlsen delighted when someone beats him. > To be fair, Neimann has been accused of cheating when he was a teenager Niemann has admitted to cheating when he was a teenager. And this wasn't in the distant mists of time, as this sort of phrasing implies. Niemann was still a teenager when Carlsen's accusation occurred. Now, I think it's likely he's cheate…
The game Carlsen lost against Niemann was very different though. Basically Carlsen lost while playing in Carlsen's style of chess, which a a very different type of loss than some blunder loss or opening loss.