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Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by ilyt »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #90
userbinator wrote: post #73

This happened not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37368243 We were already in the "post-truth" world, and AI is just going to drive us further down that path. The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. That said, I'm not sure why whether eggs can be melted is a popular question. Is that a meme?

Post-truth is the greatest step toward truth in human history. For centuries the clergy, government, media, and corporations have owned the Truth and defined the Overton window. Post-truth’s overwhelming flood of true, false, and irrelevant claims is empowering critical thinking. It’s offering freedom. The printing press led to the renaissance. The internet is now leading a new one. There will continue to be protests…

But so far LLMs are mostly controlled and used by corporations, how does that help?

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by ilyt »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #52
rob74 wrote: post #13

Google's "answers" feature was already unreliable enough when there was only one AI involved (the one picking the answers) - I remember it once said that the capacity of an Amiga floppy was 1760 KB, because the Wikipedia page it picked ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_variants#Amiga ) failed to mention the capacity of the "standard" floppies and only provided a number for the (non-standard) HD floppies.

I once googled a niche question, liked the instant answer, saw it was on HN. Clicked on it. It was me. I wrote the answer to my own question, and I guess forgot 5 years later.

I once googled same question, got lead to same Reddit answer where some twat just says "google it". Ended up commenting in that thread with actual answer just so when I land there for 3rd time there is actual answer available

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by ianbicking »

I encountered some of this recently when I was confirming GPT hallucinated some Roman history (that Roman politicians would duel). It can be harder to be sure something DIDN'T happen, but Quora was the perfect service because someone had asked just this question and there was a quality answer that this wasn't a thing at all in Rome. But above everything was a ChatGPT answer with even more hallucinated details about Roman duels!

The irony is that with just a tiny bit more engineering Quora could use the answers it has to keep ChatGPT from hallucinating. Why create this database of curated answers and then just ignore it? I get why other services would want to trade ease for factuality (still a bad choice, but selfishly useful for them) but Quora can't even seem to value the very thing that makes it unique?

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by dougmwne »

This reminds of of a passage from Neal Stephenson's Anathem, some of which is quoted here: https://mastodon.cloud/@root2702/109894483520616284

I expect the Internet will be hopelessly poisoned with nearly human quality spam and malicious propaganda. It largely has been for many years, but it was still possible to filter through the noise using just human capabilities. Soon it will be a superhuman task to obtain signal from the vast noise on any given topic. Google is clearly beginning to fail at the job.

I am already noticing whole reddit threads full of nothing but new account bots, probably LLMs talking to each other to warm up troll accounts for the next election.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by bagasme »

bagasme wrote: post #112

Today I asked ChatGPT about ArchLinux autoupdate. The question was: ``` As a rolling-release distro, is it recommended to perform automatic update on my Arch Linux system? ``` ChatGPT replied: ``` Yes, it is generally recommended to enable automatic updates on an Arch Linux system. Arch Linux is a rolling-release distribution, which means that it provides frequent updates to keep your system up to date with the lates…

Looks like ChatGPT agrees to the forum thread one way or another...

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by kergonath »

nyanmatt wrote: post #34
jiofj wrote: post #7

Given enough temperature, can't you melt an egg?

I believe it’s theoretically possible (practically impossible) if done in vacuum (to prevent oxidation) and you somehow increase the density of the egg to remove any vapor pressure (to prevent vaporization). Just guessing here. I’m no thermodynamics expert, just a guy who melt things occasionally.

At atmospheric pressures it would sublimate rather than melt, so it’d be even worse in vacuum. You’d need a reducing atmosphere with high pressures. Carbon is not that easy to oxidise, but there is some oxygen in the egg. So you should be able to do it in a container filled with argon, with an oxygen getter. You’d need to bring it to 106 atmospheres (easy) and 4600 K (really quite hard). The good thing is that at these pressures you should not have issues with the water expanding too much. It’d be better to have a hole in the shell, though.

That is ignoring any interaction with the shell, which should melt around 1600 K.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by ilyt »

causi wrote: post #78

The "answers" from Google Search have always been totally useless, always. You search a question like "What could be the problem if my software is doing X but not Y" and every single time you'll get an answer that says "What to do if your software is doing X and Y".

They are great for "what is the weight of XYZ car in KG" or similarly simple ones.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by zadik »

ssl232 wrote: post #108
jacurtis wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quora is already a dumpster fire. Everytime I go to quora from Google, I see the question at the top, but then right below it I see answers for different questions. You have to scroll past those, past a block of ads, past a sponsored answer (to another unrelated question), just to get to the answer, which itself is an confidently incorrect human that is just peddling their own website for SEO juice, and it is truncat…

Agreed, there was only a narrow period a long time ago where Quora was usable and useful. It's been a domain I've skipped visiting in search results for maybe 10 years now.

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Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by chankstein38 »

Ensorceled wrote: post #109
userbinator wrote: post #73

This happened not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37368243 We were already in the "post-truth" world, and AI is just going to drive us further down that path. The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. That said, I'm not sure why whether eggs can be melted is a popular question. Is that a meme?

> The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. This makes no sense... how do they "research researching and thinking for themselves" without the internet? Encyclopædia Britannica stopped publishing in 2010.

I think the problem is that they do use the internet so they think they're doing the right thing but most of the time get bored after reading the 2-3 sentence Google snippet about it. "Ok, yeah you can melt an egg! See?! Google says!"

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post by throwawayqqq11 »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #90
userbinator wrote: post #73

This happened not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37368243 We were already in the "post-truth" world, and AI is just going to drive us further down that path. The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. That said, I'm not sure why whether eggs can be melted is a popular question. Is that a meme?

Post-truth is the greatest step toward truth in human history. For centuries the clergy, government, media, and corporations have owned the Truth and defined the Overton window. Post-truth’s overwhelming flood of true, false, and irrelevant claims is empowering critical thinking. It’s offering freedom. The printing press led to the renaissance. The internet is now leading a new one. There will continue to be protests…

> The printing press led to the renaissance. The internet is now leading a new one.

The first printed western book was the f'ing bible! Art and science lead the renaissance. The content matters, not the medium!

> The fall of monarchies was not without bloodshed.

Back then, the power gap in weapon technology was waaay smaller. We will not overcome anything beside a landslide election victory.

> clergy, government, media, and corporations

Consider AI a tool of the ruling class and tell me in which direction the overton window will move.

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