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Eggs can melt?

Even diamonds can melt. Coincidentally they melt at the same temperature.

Carbon will never melt at atmospheric pressure, you need more than 100 atmospheres of pressure to melt carbon. Otherwise it just sublimates straight to gas.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Today I asked ChatGPT about ArchLinux autoupdate. The question was:

``` As a rolling-release distro, is it recommended to perform automatic update on my Arch Linux system? ```

ChatGPT replied:

``` Yes, it is generally recommended to enable automatic updates on an Arch Linux system. Arch Linux is a rolling-release distribution, which means that it provides frequent updates to keep your system up to date with the latest software and security patches. Enabling automatic updates helps ensure that your system stays current and secure without manual intervention. However, it's still important to regularly review update logs and be cautious of any potential issues that automatic updates may introduce. ```

But when I saw Arch forum thread on above topic [1], its first answer said:

``` Bad idea, archlinux / pacman expect a human to make some decisions. You'd have to check pacman log after every "automatic update" for problems. ```

But AFAIK, you have to roll out your own autoupdate solution since there is none of such thing in pacman itself. Hence why pacman -Syu always asks me on every update.

[1]: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=247428

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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Post-truth is the greatest step toward truth in human history. For centuries the clergy, government, media, and corporations have owned the Truth and defined the Overton window. Post-truth’s overwhelming flood of true, false, and irrelevant claims is empowering critical thinking. It’s offering freedom. The printing press led to the renaissance. The internet is now leading a new one. There will continue to be protests…

I feel this Renaissance is going to lead us right off a cliff though. Just yesterday I heard a friend say they're not giving their kids any vaccines at all, they trust moms on Tik Tok more than pediatricians and other doctors. Another friend almost lost their child from an easily correctable condition because of wanting to have their child at home because you just can't trust doctors and clinics. But where did they g…

But these people all existed 10, 20, 30 years ago, they have existed and will continue to exist throughout humanity. You cannot fix stupid. What is the solution, to control 'The Message'?

I agree with the parent. I grew up on the 90s internet, where you didn't believe anything on it! Somewhere along the lines this changed (I blame 2007 -- the iPhone / huge numbers of people going online during this period), and that is the problem.

If we have an issue, it's that people take information on the internet as gospel, hopefully if there's so much absolute dogshit on it, it will make people skeptical again.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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This happened not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37368243 We were already in the "post-truth" world, and AI is just going to drive us further down that path. The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. That said, I'm not sure why whether eggs can be melted is a popular question. Is that a meme?

Post-truth is the greatest step toward truth in human history. For centuries the clergy, government, media, and corporations have owned the Truth and defined the Overton window. Post-truth’s overwhelming flood of true, false, and irrelevant claims is empowering critical thinking. It’s offering freedom. The printing press led to the renaissance. The internet is now leading a new one. There will continue to be protests…

> Post-truth’s overwhelming flood of true, false, and irrelevant claims is empowering critical thinking. It’s offering freedom.

By and large, critical thinking hasn't been taught effectively in public schools for at least 10 years now. Even when it was, only a fraction of the public were able to think independently and logically in such a way as to eliminate spurious data/voices and deduce the truth accurately.

Far from empowering critical thinking, this lack of truth is creating a powerful vacuum that can easily be filled by propaganda and harmful ideology.

No wonder the US's adversaries are so active on our social networks.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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It seems like the obvious solution here is to voluntarily label AI content (text, image, anything) with some kind of HTML wrapper or attribute that search engines can then choose to index differently. Obviously lazy/deceptive people can choose not to label it, but in a case like this, Quora is already visually labeling the answer as AI-generated for users, so it seems like they'd be willing to tag it in HTML as well.…

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Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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What I don't understand is why Quora would be auto-generating an answer for this question in the first place. The theory in the tweet that it's about identifying a frequent query doesn't really explain anything: the question already had two answers written by humans years ago, there was no need for them to come up with additional answers.

It seems like a common occurrence for me to google some slightly obscure question and not see any directly relevant search results except a Quora link (usually the other results have my keywords but don't answer the specific question). When I click on the Quora link, I'll find that someone else has asked my exact question but there are no answers. I appreciate the ChatGPT answer because my next step would probably be ChatGPT and it saves me a few clicks.

(Based on the other comment, now I wonder if I just didn't find the human answers due to bad UI.)

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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I feel this Renaissance is going to lead us right off a cliff though. Just yesterday I heard a friend say they're not giving their kids any vaccines at all, they trust moms on Tik Tok more than pediatricians and other doctors. Another friend almost lost their child from an easily correctable condition because of wanting to have their child at home because you just can't trust doctors and clinics. But where did they g…

But these people all existed 10, 20, 30 years ago, they have existed and will continue to exist throughout humanity. You cannot fix stupid. What is the solution, to control 'The Message'? I agree with the parent. I grew up on the 90s internet, where you didn't believe anything on it! Somewhere along the lines this changed (I blame 2007 -- the iPhone / huge numbers of people going online during this period), and that…

I fully agree they've existed since the dawn of communication. It's different now that it's near free and available to broadcast that idiocy to a billion people in an instant.

I'm not arguing the government should step in and massively regulate speech. I'm just saying I'm not exactly excited for where we're going on this ride. I think it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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This happened not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37368243 We were already in the "post-truth" world, and AI is just going to drive us further down that path. The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. That said, I'm not sure why whether eggs can be melted is a popular question. Is that a meme?

Post-truth is the greatest step toward truth in human history. For centuries the clergy, government, media, and corporations have owned the Truth and defined the Overton window. Post-truth’s overwhelming flood of true, false, and irrelevant claims is empowering critical thinking. It’s offering freedom. The printing press led to the renaissance. The internet is now leading a new one. There will continue to be protests…

It's also leading to the widespread sharing of poorly though out or researched ideas. While there has always been a tension between "truth" and what various entrenched powers wanted to portray to the population, it's not clear to me that the world is better with lots of niche groups believing things that a little bit of additional research would show to be based on demonstrably false reasoning.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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This happened not long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37368243 We were already in the "post-truth" world, and AI is just going to drive us further down that path. The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. That said, I'm not sure why whether eggs can be melted is a popular question. Is that a meme?

> The tendency of a lot of the population to prioritise quick and vapid answers over researching and thinking for themselves isn't helping either. This makes no sense... how do they "research researching and thinking for themselves" without the internet? Encyclopædia Britannica stopped publishing in 2010.

just don't stop at the very first answer you get. dig a little.

Re: Google is picking ChatGPT responses from Quora as correct answer

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And people want to seek medical device from an AI that thinks eggs can melt…

Who wants to do that? I assume you're talking about large language models? They are great at making word soup, but not great at diagnosis. There have been expert systems since the 90's that perform better on average than doctors when diagnosing illness in patients, and / or help doctors make better decisions.

>They are great at making word soup, but not great at diagnosis.

No they are.

>There have been expert systems since the 90's that perform better on average than doctors when diagnosing illness in patients,

No there has not been.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10425828/

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