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FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by wredue »

mattnewton wrote: post #85
cddotdotslash wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but the argument kind of loses merit, no? I remember the entire collective internet having site wide shutdowns, urging users to write to congress, etc. It was an extensive campaign that looped in many non technical folks to a very technical topic. You can only cry wolf like that a few times. If a similar campaign were to launch again, I’m almost certain it would fail to get the same mainstream support, especial…

No it doesn’t lose merit because the fight isn’t over. It’s not like all major ISPs are going to immediately ramp up to 11; even if they wanted to make that blunder while people are still clearly educated about the issue and paying attention, negotiating payments for services exempt from traffic shaping is a long b2b sales cycle that has only started. They are going to slowly boil the frog after watching the others g…

Yeah. This thread is getting to me.

Okay. Net neutrality died and ISPs didn’t immediately turn the internet in to subscriptions to different cloud providers.

The fact is that they CAN, and to be so deliriously ignorant as to believe that “it didn’t happen yet, so it will never happen” is just… what is happening here?

Is this thread just ChatGPT bots?

Regardless of if Microsoft, google, Amazon and ISPs have not yet managed to cooperate in to cable style subscriptions to what parts of the internet you get, we are WAY better off enshrining to law that they cannot do it.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by sfifs »

Permik wrote: post #82
brightball wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mobile providers are a different beast because there’s a limit on radio spectrum. Throttling is necessary.

Hello, Finland here. I have a true unlimited phone plan. Unlimited texts, unlimited calls, 200Mbit/s of bandwidth with unlimited data. 27€ per month. Yes, the bandwidth is capped, but getting 200 megs is possible most of the time, it's really more of an exception to not get the full speed. Sometimes some cells can become congested, but that's really rare.

There are about 70 cities in the world with a larger population than the whole of country of Finland - so maybe there is a representativeness challenge in this comparison.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by mrWiz »

deelowe wrote: post #68
brightball wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mobile providers are a different beast because there’s a limit on radio spectrum. Throttling is necessary.

Let's take the null hypothesis that these incentives push all video streaming to Apple+. The total bandwidth hasn't changed, all that's happened is that is it's only streamed over Apple+ now. How does this help with their spectrum constraints?

Do you think that /all/ streaming would be pushed to Apple+? What if some people simply reduced the amount they streamed over the cell link?

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

exabrial wrote: post #62
cddotdotslash wrote: post #4

One of the biggest arguments I remember being made back when net neutrality was a hot topic was that ISPs would bundle and sell specific websites as tiered plans. Infographics like this one [1] were shared widely. Has this happened in the US? I’ve definitely seen ISPs start to apply data caps and throttling, but haven’t seen the aforementioned packaging (at least with the major ISPs). I ask because this is one of the…

No it hasn’t. We’re fighting a boogieman. Instead, we’re going to do is further entrench local monopolies, since only the large guys will be able to afford to comply with regulation. You literally can’t force corporate Americas to act beneficial to their consumers of incentives are misaligned. It takes literal FDA-levels of regulation to accomplish that, and even that has failures while generally making the entire pr…

Ah yes. It takes so much effort not to chose to throttle people.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

somenameforme wrote: post #90
Goronmon wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sky was supposed to fall if net neutrality were abrogated, and IME, that hasn't happened. ISPs aren't run by complete idiots. They knew this current switch back was a likely possibility. If they had rushed to implement service tiers, it would have given even more ammunition to the net neutrality debate. Now they can say "See we had a chance for a few years to do it and didn't, so we need to pass laws to make sure…

And how long do you expect your timeline to playout on? It's been more than 6 years now, and we're talking about corporations that regularly have difficulty seeing beyond next quarter, and have absolutely no qualms pissing off the entire world if it means another buck. Why wouldn't they have rushed to enact the new laws immediately under an FCC political establishment that would have been favorable to such? It seems…

There is precedent of this happening in countries without Net Neutrality laws such as the Philippines, where ISPs have zero-rating agreements with operators of popular websites, which effectively cements the position of incumbents.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by [deleted] »

cltby wrote: post #88
cainxinth wrote: post #49

A lot of people in these comments are making the case that removing net neutrality didn’t do much harm, so why bother bringing it back. Let me make the counterclaim. The argument against net neutrality is that it might stifle innovation. Well, we had net neutrality for many years and innovation didn’t seem all that stifled. Hence, what’s the harm in bringing it back?

Because we should have strong priors disfavoring regulation, and this is a stalking horse for yet more internet regulation.

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Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by jmyeet »

I fully support net neutrality. Those who oppose it, like former FCC Commissioner Ajit Pai, are really just bowing to ISPs who want to charge companies like Netflix and Google for "pushing" data onto their networks.

But net neutrality isn't actually what we need. What we need is municipal broadband. The major ISPs in the US are objectively awful. The best Internet access in the US are in places with municipal broadband eg Chattanooga.

A good start would be regulating ISPs as a utility.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by dantheman »

woudsma wrote: post #33

At my previous job I worked on a digital campaign protesting the repeal of Net Neutrality[0]. It was a nice technical challenge to save (and render) those millions of leaflets. More about the project here[1] [0]: https://paperstorm.it/ [1]: https://studiomoniker.com/projects/paperstorm

Glad you failed. This is pure propaganda.

Re: FCC aims to reinstate net neutrality after us Democrats gain control of panel

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Post by xwdv »

cainxinth wrote: post #49

A lot of people in these comments are making the case that removing net neutrality didn’t do much harm, so why bother bringing it back. Let me make the counterclaim. The argument against net neutrality is that it might stifle innovation. Well, we had net neutrality for many years and innovation didn’t seem all that stifled. Hence, what’s the harm in bringing it back?

The harm is that it takes away resources from other important issues that require our focus right now.
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