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Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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:D :D it's a wonder that white guys never make jokes about white guys in general.

We make jokes about black guys having long dicks...

Which is, in a way, a joke about white guys (precisely because you never say a joke about white guys having long dicks).

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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Really? What do you want? We want women to shut up and stop telling us that there's a problem with how we behave, because it's rude to tell people there's something innately wrong with their behavior. Also it takes so much time and effort on our parts to try and behave like better people that it hardly seems like we should bother. The problem, for many people, is not that the issue is being handled indelicately. It's…

> We want women to shut up and stop telling us that there's a problem with how we behave... > As you can see I've got perfectly rational explanations for why I'm so irritated by women calling out sexist behaviors. > I want them to stop calling things sexist so that I can stop worrying about their feelings. > I just thought it was funny that Dave said something that sounds like sex talk, and wanted all of you to know!…

I was worried about people thinking I meant what I said when I wrote it. Then I decided that maybe the fact that people could theoretically take it seriously was a good reason to keep it how it was.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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So how can I write a bot to fight the sexism in Microsoft's TV ads? You know the ones... where the husband is the bumbling idiot and the wife is the smart capable one who shuts down his plea to play golf on Sundays. I would love to set that bot loose on all TV shows and ads. So often, a flipped situation would cause outrage of being sexist, whereas if the man is put down, it's "funny." It really bothers me, especiall…

Yes, ads (etc.) that portray people as bad based on their gender are wrong. However men are still in an advantageous position. widespread anti-male laws They are small in number compared to the widespread anti-female laws and customs.

Can you give an example? In almost all states, if the wife gets pregnant by another man, the man is still on the hook for child support for the next 18+ years... even if she divorces him and marries her lover.

I can't think of an equivalent anti-female law with such devastating long-term impact on the woman.

I know this message might be off tangent for the HN board. But if we're discussing anti-female sexist culture and try to erase every incident of women being treated unfairly even in the slightest way, I think it should be allowed to point out that in today's culture, men are also often treated extremely unfairly... and you don't see scores of women jumping to their defense (like the men did in the "Lighten up" thread).

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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So how can I write a bot to fight the sexism in Microsoft's TV ads? You know the ones... where the husband is the bumbling idiot and the wife is the smart capable one who shuts down his plea to play golf on Sundays. I would love to set that bot loose on all TV shows and ads. So often, a flipped situation would cause outrage of being sexist, whereas if the man is put down, it's "funny." It really bothers me, especiall…

Yes, ads (etc.) that portray people as bad based on their gender are wrong. However men are still in an advantageous position. widespread anti-male laws They are small in number compared to the widespread anti-female laws and customs.

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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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What I find the most fascinating is that she did everything exactly right and people still feel like she did something wrong. She didn't go to her supervisor and she didn't turn it into a drama. Instead she fought the problem in its own arena by making a IRC-bot to combat the problem, and not only that: the IRC-bot is only selectively used in the exact situation that is seen as problematic and it does so by writing e…

Really? What do you want? We want women to shut up and stop telling us that there's a problem with how we behave, because it's rude to tell people there's something innately wrong with their behavior. Also it takes so much time and effort on our parts to try and behave like better people that it hardly seems like we should bother. The problem, for many people, is not that the issue is being handled indelicately. It's…

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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I find the most fascinating is that she did everything exactly right and people still feel like she did something wrong. She didn't go to her supervisor and she didn't turn it into a drama. Instead she fought the problem in its own arena by making a IRC-bot to combat the problem, and not only that: the IRC-bot is only selectively used in the exact situation that is seen as problematic and it does so by writing e…

Really? What do you want? We want women to shut up and stop telling us that there's a problem with how we behave, because it's rude to tell people there's something innately wrong with their behavior. Also it takes so much time and effort on our parts to try and behave like better people that it hardly seems like we should bother. The problem, for many people, is not that the issue is being handled indelicately. It's…

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Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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I don't have the reference to hand, but it's worth noting that when women use only 20% of conversation time, they are perceived by a group to be dominating the discussion.

The same thing is in effect here, basically. A bot with a very limited purpose is being seen as causing significantly greater disruption.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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I think this would never happen where I live. Honestly this seems like its the same thing as you guys in the US not being able to say merry christmas because it might offend someone. What's so wrong with being offended anyway? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs&t=3m30s I think people over there just take everything to seriously.

http://therealkatie.net/blog/2012/mar/21/lighten-up/

Lighten up, I didn't mean it, I didn't intend to upset you, so it must be ok!

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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I have a hard time imagining anyone here seriously saying, "Whether or not it's racism related is irrelevant." But I agree that men generally don't mind Bob with his hourly cracks about women (and maybe gays). That's why men swear up and down that they've never seen sexism in their workplaces. Because we simply can't see it. (And our society is sexist, so sexism is kind of like air.) Hard to imagine that silly ol' Bo…

I didn't want to get into an argument about sexism here so I've removed all my comments. My entire point was (and the ONLY thing I commented on) that multiple IRC bots are EXTREMELY ANNOYING and for her co-workers to be annoyed when someone introduced a new automated bot is exactly the experience I had and have, the issue of sexism is completely detached.

The real issue here isn't sexism, the real issue is the complete lack of respect her co-workers showed for a fellow employee. Gender, Race and position at the company aside, if someone raises an issue with something and you can't justify it you damn well go with their request because that's what respect is.

Re: Jessamyn Smith: Fighting sexist jokes with a Python bot

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I think this would never happen where I live. Honestly this seems like its the same thing as you guys in the US not being able to say merry christmas because it might offend someone. What's so wrong with being offended anyway? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHMoDt3nSHs&t=3m30s I think people over there just take everything to seriously.

Honestly this seems like its the same thing as you guys in the US not being able to say merry christmas because it might offend someone.

Is this a common perception of those outside the US about what goes on inside the US?

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