Out of topic question. Would it be possible to combine machine learning with something like 23andMe and match 100 000 person photos with their DNA. Would we have an AI model which basically can tell how the persons looks like from a strand of hair? Imagine finding some DNA on a crime scene. Witnesses can say that this person was a bit overweight so you slide some slider to the right a bit and get a pretty good AI gen…
AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’
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Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’
#112Out of topic question. Would it be possible to combine machine learning with something like 23andMe and match 100 000 person photos with their DNA. Would we have an AI model which basically can tell how the persons looks like from a strand of hair? Imagine finding some DNA on a crime scene. Witnesses can say that this person was a bit overweight so you slide some slider to the right a bit and get a pretty good AI gen…
Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’
#113No shit. As already said years ago. [0] Closed source software is surveillance technology. Internet of Things is surveillance technology. Blockchain / crypto is surveillance technology. Virtual Reality is surveillance technology. AI is surveillance technology. Very disappointed that it took you guys this long to realize that, but it is too late to stop all of it entirely. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3161…
For my part, it feels like some tech is designed for specific use cases (eg pinboard, kagi). If you trust those developers they don't need to open source their work.
If you look at it from a systems perspective, ad tech benefits from scale and data, so when a product is built "for everyone" and monetized with ads.... Yeah it's going to be surveillance tech
Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’
#114Out of topic question. Would it be possible to combine machine learning with something like 23andMe and match 100 000 person photos with their DNA. Would we have an AI model which basically can tell how the persons looks like from a strand of hair? Imagine finding some DNA on a crime scene. Witnesses can say that this person was a bit overweight so you slide some slider to the right a bit and get a pretty good AI gen…
But you know just bring it to the real thing: With DNA, Video and ML you will be able to track and find that person through face recognition and probability automatically.
Hail skynet
Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
As soon as it’s able to detect lying, it’ll be used for that purpose. Probably a little bit before it’s actually capable of doing it reliably.
> As soon as it’s able to detect lying, it’ll be used for that purpose. That's not the thing I was talking about. > Probably a little bit before it’s actually capable of doing it reliably. I think you said that already?
And in fact you yourself already hedged that this probably is happening, “ But I doubt many people are trying this, except as a way to justify a marketing budget.” Aka you believe that at least some people are already attempting this.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, the full quote from Whittaker is: > “You know, you walk past a facial recognition camera that’s instrumented with pseudo-scientific emotion recognition, and it produces data about you, right or wrong, that says ‘you are happy, you are sad, you have a bad character, you’re a liar, whatever.’ While I'm not aware of any technology that claims to classify faces as liars the rest of the statement is broadly true. An…
> While I'm not aware of any technology that claims to classify faces as liars Hadn't there been similar systems for phone conversations, based on voice stress analysis? I totally expect this to move to AI based systems, including audio and visual data, if it hasn't been done already. (Also, if a person has been tagged as "liar" – truthfully or not – in any customer history file, this data will be available, as soon…
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Authorities penalized families over a mere suspicion of fraud based on the system’s risk indicators" Don't do that part, nothing to do with AI, it's about humans being lazy
And AI enables it to greater ex extents then ever before.
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#118And the idea that AI "requires the surveillance business model" is demonstrably false. Thousands of researchers over the last 7 decades have contributed to the development of the collection of technologies we call AI without that business model.
However this is Meredith Whittaker so we can assume she knows that. So yeah, those are provocative statements made for rhetorical effect to emphasize that power will use technology to do bad things and enshrine and enhance its power.
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#119But the discourse in general seems to always resolve into something indistinguishable from kids arguing that the PS3 is superior to the xbox.
Isn't the "hacker" spirit one which itches to utilize and exploit? To be empowered and to be quick to kill your darlings? Why are we so quick to subordinate ourselves here? To appeal to ambiguous authorities? Is it all just some tacit futurism the AI fanboys have fallen in line with? Where has the confidence, the spirit, the sense of breezy mastery gone? There has got to still be interesting people around, those that are too cool for BigCompany Product.
Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’
#120Out of topic question. Would it be possible to combine machine learning with something like 23andMe and match 100 000 person photos with their DNA. Would we have an AI model which basically can tell how the persons looks like from a strand of hair? Imagine finding some DNA on a crime scene. Witnesses can say that this person was a bit overweight so you slide some slider to the right a bit and get a pretty good AI gen…
https://www.fsigenetics.com/article/S1872-4973(23)00045-5/fu...
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>DNA Facial Mapping
https://www.policechiefmagazine.org/dna-facial-mapping/
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>How Australian police will use DNA sequencing to predict what suspects look like [2021]
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/dec/08/how-a...
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>The Role of Hair in DNA Testing