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Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by yrro »

yrro wrote: post #69
lbhdc wrote: post #57

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Has it? I have used both libreoffice and openoffice, I had no idea openoffice was related to asf until I read your post. I have heard other talk about how people should use libreoffice, but it isn't apparent why.

Back in the day there was real interest in "OpenOffice" among non-geeks. Governments were mandating that documents be published in OpenDocument format. Microsoft sought to muddy the waters by publishing the confusing "Office Open XML" format (which they then never implemented). And then OpenOffice the project just... stopped. No new features, and eventually no new releases. And by squatting on the brand, they prevent…

Oh and I forgot to mention the guy (whose name I have thankfully forgotten) that the Apache Software Foundation hired to go and troll the LibreOffice community in public forums across the Internet. A tradition that other OpenOffice "community" members have continued (e.g., if you mention LibreOffice on /r/openoffice your post will be removed and you will be banned).

ASF is where projects go to die.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by unixhero »

unixhero wrote: post #185
nologic01 wrote: post #180

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> I am not sure why a productivity suite have to be ML/AI powered tho. In order to continue being relevant? Functions like search and spell checking are already basic forms of ML/AI. A productivity suite should enable users to benefit from ever more powerful algorithms that, ahem, enhance productivity :-)

Free and functional = relevant. It already is these things. The LibreOffice community is huge and really strong.

Proof: Code commits last month, https://github.com/LibreOffice/core/graphs/contributors

Join the community, https://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/

Events, https://www.libreoffice.org/events/

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Events

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by pjmlp »

jen20 wrote: post #242
janoc wrote: post #219

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There is no Python 4 - and may not ever be. If you have downloaded Python 2, you must have done it intentionally, it isn't even available from the Python.org website download anymore - and had not been for a long time. >The problem is that you can't have one Python interpreter that covers all versions of Python, and Python is very unforgiving about using the wrong interpreter version. Because it doesn't make sense. T…

I’m with you on Python 2 to 3 being a fine idea and an improvement but… > You would have exactly the same problems if you tried to compile old K&R C code or C++ code from 20 years ago using modern compilers. Or tried to feed modern C# code to a compiler from 10 years ago. If you feed 10 year old C# to a modern compiler it will compile it fine. I’d imagine most C and C++ of even 20-year vintage will still compile. The…

No it won't, as it might be using the breaking for change introduced in C# 5, or .NET Framework features not made available on .NET Core.

Likewise C and C++ have had enough breaking changes since 2010.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by pjmlp »

mardifoufs wrote: post #149
mnau wrote: post #132

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Meh, cyber resilience act will kill it. Two or three years and it's gone. Shipping a product with known security vulnerability is not only forbidden, it's also explicitly something manufacturer will be liable for.

Isn't that just in Europe? They can forbid whatever they want, good luck stopping an open source project from getting installed because of security reasons lol I guess it won't be prepacked in distros but I'm not sure any distro still ships with OO.

US cybersecurity agency is also coming up with its own version, and then the rest of the world will follow.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by raxxorraxor »

pjmlp wrote: post #162
brand wrote: post #21

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It seems that “younger generation” programmers underestimate the value of governance in OSS. The recent Terraform kerluffle couldn’t have happened if Terraform was in the ASF, etc.

Governance alone doesn't help, if there isn't a way to pay the bills. It was cool to be a UNIX/FOSS zealot during the late 90's while still getting monetary support. Writing M$ on the email signature and such. Eventually I had to find a way to pay my bills.

In the current market you reliably can do both. Nobody in software can deny the importance of open source software, if only for learning or training. Without FOSS, there would only be stagnation.

You can even develop commercial software and still support FOSS. This isn't some think the kids of the 90s do. Most new open source projects are created by younger developers.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by pjmlp »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #255
pjmlp wrote: post #162

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Governance alone doesn't help, if there isn't a way to pay the bills. It was cool to be a UNIX/FOSS zealot during the late 90's while still getting monetary support. Writing M$ on the email signature and such. Eventually I had to find a way to pay my bills.

In the current market you reliably can do both. Nobody in software can deny the importance of open source software, if only for learning or training. Without FOSS, there would only be stagnation. You can even develop commercial software and still support FOSS. This isn't some think the kids of the 90s do. Most new open source projects are created by younger developers.

Try to make a living from open source desktop software, or open source games.

Younger developers are re-discovering public domain and shareware, while rebranding them as open core.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by ptx »

toyg wrote: post #250
ptx wrote: post #224

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Out of context? I provided plenty of context if you care to follow the links I posted. The distinction between copyleft and non-copyleft licenses, e.g. GPL and BSD, is different from the distinction between open source and free software, which is mainly ideological. The GPL is a copyleft license but also an open source license, as you can see on the OSI website. For maximum context, here is a quote from the board mee…

Yes, because OSS was meant to be a superset of projects including Free Software, so that stuff that did not fit the Free Software definition could still be considered ideologically acceptable. Do I really have to draw a diagram...?

Such as what stuff? Draw a diagram if you prefer, but a few examples of these nefarious non-free licenses promoted by the OSI would be sufficient.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by Condition1952 »

pests wrote: post #234
hollerith wrote: post #135

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>> WYSIWYG text processor >Emacs Org-mode How is org mode WYSIWYG?

I think it fits. But also so do programs like notepad. You literally get what you see. Type some text. There ya go. Its some text.

He he he. I meant “you compose, you set margins, you print”.

WYSIWYP

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by toyg »

ptx wrote: post #257
toyg wrote: post #250

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Yes, because OSS was meant to be a superset of projects including Free Software, so that stuff that did not fit the Free Software definition could still be considered ideologically acceptable. Do I really have to draw a diagram...?

Such as what stuff? Draw a diagram if you prefer, but a few examples of these nefarious non-free licenses promoted by the OSI would be sufficient.

Crap like Sun's CDDL and MPL were endorsed by OSI although they were developed explicitly in opposition to the GPL. Yeah, they might be nominally "free", but their aim was fairly nefarious at the time. OSI endorses all sorts of licenses that are free in name only.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by neonsunset »

pjmlp wrote: post #253
jen20 wrote: post #242

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I’m with you on Python 2 to 3 being a fine idea and an improvement but… > You would have exactly the same problems if you tried to compile old K&R C code or C++ code from 20 years ago using modern compilers. Or tried to feed modern C# code to a compiler from 10 years ago. If you feed 10 year old C# to a modern compiler it will compile it fine. I’d imagine most C and C++ of even 20-year vintage will still compile. The…

No it won't, as it might be using the breaking for change introduced in C# 5, or .NET Framework features not made available on .NET Core. Likewise C and C++ have had enough breaking changes since 2010.

It depends. Some projects can be retargeted to netstandard2.0/net6(8).0 without any changes at all, some require minor update of dependencies and some other - do face breaking changes in library code because APIs did get deprecated.

With that said, neither IL nor C# itself had any changes breaking forward compatibility (aside from a very early change to foreach recently discussed here).

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