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AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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> [AI] requires the surveillance business model

I think this is putting the horse before the cart.

There is no doubt that the surveillance business model has captured tech. But "AI" - which to me is just the shortest possible way to say "algorithmic processing of digital information" - is just one more category of tools exploited to buttress and expand the dominance of said business model. It just happens that while other innovations (blockchain, quantum computing etc) are not immediately (or ever) usable, AI tools are practical and deployable here and now.

To better understand my point imagine the polar opposite system: a digital universe that fully respects our various professed humanistic values and uses technology only to empower individuals, bind society together etc. We would still need large scale algorithmic support if we are to manage interfacing our biologically defined brain bandwidth with the vast and growing silicon exo-brain.

In other words, lets us not concede that surveillance capitalism owns every possible future of tech.

Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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Does anybody know of a facial recognition AI that actually classifies faces as (non)-liars as she claims? Not sure about this take. You need data at the end of the day, to build good AI models. These days it feels like anyone's public takes are more or less just a means to promote their own cause. And I say this as a happy and long-time Signal user.

"data can either be useful or perfectly anonymous but never both"

Therefore…

AI is fundamentally a surveillance technology.

SOURCE:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/09/your-secrets-liv...

Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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The submitted summary of the video-recorded interview at TechCrunch Disrupt are occasioned by the article Open (For Business): Big Tech, Concentrated Power, and the Political Economy of Open AI - https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4543807 I suggest to read (at least) the abstract (too long to be copied here) to get some more proper idea of the debated area.

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Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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The current wave of AI seems more like an investment scam to me. Like crypto currencies and NFTs were.

I also agree that it is a bubble, but I feel like it is more of a "dotcom" type of bubble rather than crypto/NFT type of bubble, if it makes any sense.

Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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post #28

The current wave of AI seems more like an investment scam to me. Like crypto currencies and NFTs were.

https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/2c4fad0w6irk83...

I agree and it is the current last hope investors are putting their dreams in for the overvalued stock market to keep going up. “But what if AI changes everything?” I don’t really see their point of view and I would love to see how AI would usher in this new era of value being created if anyone wants to share. Wouldn’t it more be used to lay off millions of people and information workers that can be replaced by AI, that now can’t buy things?

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post #28

The current wave of AI seems more like an investment scam to me. Like crypto currencies and NFTs were.

I also agree that it is a bubble, but I feel like it is more of a "dotcom" type of bubble rather than crypto/NFT type of bubble, if it makes any sense.

It makes sense. Investor hopes and the resultant valuations have gotten way ahead of the actual state of the market, but the underlying AI tech is real and useful and being applied everywhere. Crypto/NFT was never anything more than a blatant scam.

Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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> [AI] requires the surveillance business model I think this is putting the horse before the cart. There is no doubt that the surveillance business model has captured tech. But "AI" - which to me is just the shortest possible way to say "algorithmic processing of digital information" - is just one more category of tools exploited to buttress and expand the dominance of said business model. It just happens that while…

Scale requires Purpose.

When there is no Purpose, or no Purpose that Everyone accepts, and yet things are mindlessly scaled up, the scaler makes enemies. And its all pure chaos what happens next.

Re: AI is fundamentally ‘a surveillance technology’

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The current wave of AI seems more like an investment scam to me. Like crypto currencies and NFTs were.

You have companies like Midjourney, making hundreds of millions per month, off a staff of 50.

The users of Midjourney aren't there for future riches, they use it either for daily entertainment or for work.

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