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Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by TylerE »

Eji1700 wrote: post #10
TylerE wrote: post #5

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Absolutely not. Nevada requires two things that are very important: 1. Anything that appears to be a representation of a physical object or device must behave exactly as the thing it represents. So, like in this case of the article if you have 4 cards, one of which has a rock behind them, each must have exactly a 1/4 chance of containing the rock. Wether this is pre-determined or after the choice is made is irrelevan…

Vegas really is very well regulated. There are some extremely ugly sides to gambling, but if you're going to have it, vegas is a pretty good starting point for how to try and keep things under control. There's no casino in town that will "look the other way" for a few 20 year olds who want to gamble, because doing it once could lose that operation it's gaming license. There's no casino that's going to on purpose risk…

There's absolutely no reason for a casino to cheat - they don't need to, they already have the house edge.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by yaysyu »

nadermx wrote: post #3

That was a pretty good read. Makes me realize how lucky we are that some games existed before in app purchases. Could you imagine playing chess and paying for an upgraded queen?

During the whole NFT boom I did stumble across a chess game where you could buy and sell NFT representations of chess pieces which gave you advantages. Can’t find the name of it now but it was a laughably bad concept

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by resolutebat »

TylerE wrote: post #11
Eji1700 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vegas really is very well regulated. There are some extremely ugly sides to gambling, but if you're going to have it, vegas is a pretty good starting point for how to try and keep things under control. There's no casino in town that will "look the other way" for a few 20 year olds who want to gamble, because doing it once could lose that operation it's gaming license. There's no casino that's going to on purpose risk…

There's absolutely no reason for a casino to cheat - they don't need to, they already have the house edge.

The entire reason Nevada regulations exist and are strictly enforced is that the casinos did, in fact, cheat.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by freeone3000 »

Yhippa wrote: post #9
batiudrami wrote: post #8

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There are still lots of great games (mobile and board games) which aren’t like this at all. It’s just that mobile gaming is an awful platform because it has fully succumbed to financialisation.

I remember having an iPhone 5 and the quality of games were pretty good, albeit pricey. I did pay for a bunch of games at the time because I thought that was fair. Coming back to iOS a decade later and the quality of games is unrecognizable from the era I started in. Even Apple Arcade has a lot of stuff that feels like f2p/p2w stuff that is basically mobile casinos. I tried to give a bunch of modern games a shot and…

Looking over the best games for Apple Arcade and it’s… Temple Run, Cut the Rope, Fruit Ninja. Really! That was the peak?

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by Terr_ »

TylerE wrote: post #11
Eji1700 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vegas really is very well regulated. There are some extremely ugly sides to gambling, but if you're going to have it, vegas is a pretty good starting point for how to try and keep things under control. There's no casino in town that will "look the other way" for a few 20 year olds who want to gamble, because doing it once could lose that operation it's gaming license. There's no casino that's going to on purpose risk…

There's absolutely no reason for a casino to cheat - they don't need to, they already have the house edge.

That's like: "There's absolutely no reason for the executive to embezzle - they don't need to, they already have the cushy job."

Cheating means greater profit, and (unless caught) more-reliable profit.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by jwrallie »

nadermx wrote: post #3

That was a pretty good read. Makes me realize how lucky we are that some games existed before in app purchases. Could you imagine playing chess and paying for an upgraded queen?

It is also a bit sad that these strategies started to leak from mobile games into other platforms. Now we can find console and PC games with random "gift boxes", daily XP limits to force you to keep playing and others.

Not that it should be blamed fully on mobile, it was already getting worse on itself, with cosmetic paid "DLC" that could be (and sometimes is) present on the base game files at release but exists purely for monetization purposes (Oblivion's horse armor) or exclusives limited to a certain retailer.

There are several concerns with dark patterns that we have to pay attention nowadays, specially when children are exposed to these games, which did not exist in the past.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by TylerE »

Terr_ wrote: post #15
TylerE wrote: post #11

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There's absolutely no reason for a casino to cheat - they don't need to, they already have the house edge.

That's like: "There's absolutely no reason for the executive to embezzle - they don't need to, they already have the cushy job." Cheating means greater profit, and (unless caught) more-reliable profit.

Except they're competing.

If players think they win more at Casino B than Casino A, Casino A makes less, not more.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by ilrwbwrkhv »

jwrallie wrote: post #16
nadermx wrote: post #3

That was a pretty good read. Makes me realize how lucky we are that some games existed before in app purchases. Could you imagine playing chess and paying for an upgraded queen?

It is also a bit sad that these strategies started to leak from mobile games into other platforms. Now we can find console and PC games with random "gift boxes", daily XP limits to force you to keep playing and others. Not that it should be blamed fully on mobile, it was already getting worse on itself, with cosmetic paid "DLC" that could be (and sometimes is) present on the base game files at release but exists pure…

I will just drop this very old Jonathan Blow video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsT-5VSqk8I which was talking about unethical games.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by kmeisthax »

jwrallie wrote: post #16
nadermx wrote: post #3

That was a pretty good read. Makes me realize how lucky we are that some games existed before in app purchases. Could you imagine playing chess and paying for an upgraded queen?

It is also a bit sad that these strategies started to leak from mobile games into other platforms. Now we can find console and PC games with random "gift boxes", daily XP limits to force you to keep playing and others. Not that it should be blamed fully on mobile, it was already getting worse on itself, with cosmetic paid "DLC" that could be (and sometimes is) present on the base game files at release but exists pure…

Console and (non-MMO) PC gaming up until the 360 and PS3 was an unusual time of transparent and straightforward monetization. Just pay once and you own the game forever.

If you go further back in time, you have arcades, which exposed children of yesteryear to the same tricks mobile is doing today.

Re: The casino in your pocket

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Post by tempodox »

freeone3000 wrote: post #14
Yhippa wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember having an iPhone 5 and the quality of games were pretty good, albeit pricey. I did pay for a bunch of games at the time because I thought that was fair. Coming back to iOS a decade later and the quality of games is unrecognizable from the era I started in. Even Apple Arcade has a lot of stuff that feels like f2p/p2w stuff that is basically mobile casinos. I tried to give a bunch of modern games a shot and…

Looking over the best games for Apple Arcade and it’s… Temple Run, Cut the Rope, Fruit Ninja. Really! That was the peak?

The Pathless. Monster's Expedition was also great, but it's not available any more. And that exposed a nasty detail of Arcade: Once a game isn't “available” any more, all of your copies instantaneously stop working.
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