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The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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We had a great example of this in a recent Geomob London talk: ask Google Maps to route from Wairiki, Fiji (-16.8048, 179.9893) to Welagi, Fiji (-16.7349, -179.9439), two villages on the coastal road of the same island and about 10km apart, but as you can see from the coordinates on opposite sides of the anti-meridian. You get "Sorry, we could not calculate driving directions from "Wairiki, Fiji" to "Welagi, Fiji" ht…

Interesting, is the ring road around Tavuki Island THE only road that falls on the anti-meridian, at all? A quick look along the line and it looks like it. It's wild that on google maps, even dropping a pin on the Tavuki road and trying to drag it across the line, it just stops, hitting this invisible wall. Something about this experience makes me want to go there....

Wow, even zooming in and out on that island makes Google Maps skip into the middle of the ocean.

Edit: and the nearby Rabi Island has a discontinuity at the meridian in map view. Zooming in on it in satellite view sent the map into a crazy refreshing state with flickering grid lines.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Even more impressive seeing it sweat fuel onto the apron in the afternoon sun for a few hours then engine ignition with Chevy V8 start cart, takeoff followed by low level transonic flyby. Fairford IAT 1989.

Weren’t those big blocks on the starter cart Buicks?

They were initially Buicks, then Chevy later on [1]

[1] https://www.thesr71blackbird.com/Aircraft/Engines/starting-t...

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Probably by flying above most of the atmosphere.

That makes sense. What kind of sensor does it use to track the stars though? Stars are very dim.

Simplest implementation of star trackers I've seen is the Canopus sensor[1] used in old spin stabilized satellites: the "tracker" is just a light intensity sensor and a computer on a spinning spacecraft. I don't know if that has to do with this implement or not, but a star tracker in general could be that simple.

1: http://petermasek.50megs.com/starplot.jpg

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Still used in spacecraft, a vendor: https://www.ball.com/aerospace/capabilities/technologies-com... What’s actually on aircraft tends to be classified.

It's wild that they're also a household name in the form of mason jars.

And also aluminum cans. For a while, the jars and cans side of the business made money while Ball Aerospace was kept around for nostalgia.

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The International Date Line and the 180-degree line of longitude have bitten a _lot_ of folks who don't think to test at the boundaries.

I was working on a program that sales managers would use to divide sales territories up between salespeople and one feature was the ability to select all territories a certain distance from a point and using the most simplistic algorithm the code would crash if the circle crosses the 180 line so we had to use a somewhat more complicated algorithm than we first thought for this, even though all of the U.S. is one one…

> even though all of the U.S. is one one side of it

Guam would beg to differ. :)

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Nitpick: The North Star (Polaris) wasn't used over 4000 years ago: So now you can see why Polaris will not always be aligned with the north spin axis of the Earth - because that axis is slowly changing the direction in which it points (precession)! Right now, the Earth's rotation axis happens to be pointing almost exactly at Polaris. But in the year 3000 B.C., the North Star was a star called Thuban (also known as Al…

Well, good point, but every moment in history had its fixed south and north stars, you could find easily, if you were familiar with the sky. Which everyone was back then. As well as some animals, who also use the stars for navigation.

There’s no good reason to assume that in the absence of an extremely bright star that happens to be north-aligned that a culture navigated the stars with a north-anchored reference ;)

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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You can see one of these up close - both the device, and the airplane! - at the Evergreen Aerospace Museum in McMinnville, OR. They also have on display another Blackbird payload labeled DEF-H. It’s a nondescript white box which you are allowed to look at, but not allowed to know what it does. XD

There's another one in the Museum of Flight in Seattle.

The Museum of Flight has an M-21 - in the Blackbird family but a few feet shorter than the SR-71. It's a truly wonderful plane and I love that you can walk underneath it and get right up close. As I recall they also have one of the engines pulled out to look at as well.

Re: The SR-71 Blackbird Astro-Nav System worked by tracking the stars

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Well, good point, but every moment in history had its fixed south and north stars, you could find easily, if you were familiar with the sky. Which everyone was back then. As well as some animals, who also use the stars for navigation.

There’s no good reason to assume that in the absence of an extremely bright star that happens to be north-aligned that a culture navigated the stars with a north-anchored reference ;)

The reason would be, that you can see that the sky is rotating around a certain point in the north, or south depending where you are. All the stars are changing - but this point is not. So even when there is no bright star at that spot - there will be star constellations around pointing towards it. A fixed point or area of reference ( and with no artificial lights, there definitely would be some star to see).

But of course if you really know the dark sky well, there are a lot more points of references, you will remember what constellations will be where at what time of the night at what season. Or where the moon is, etc.

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Still used in spacecraft, a vendor: https://www.ball.com/aerospace/capabilities/technologies-com... What’s actually on aircraft tends to be classified.

It's wild that they're also a household name in the form of mason jars.

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