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Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by tlianza » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 5:49 AM UTC

What will be interesting to see is how well Microsoft acts as a steward of the project. I can't count how many bugs I've seen on Microsoft Connect sit untouched for years.

Assuming they're not being fixed due to lack of development resources, perhaps this will help. If it's any other reason, including test resources, management resources, or overall project priorities - a move like this is unlikely to be significant.

If we're just trading a list of ignored bug reports for a list of ignored pull requests, it'd be difficult to muster much excitement.

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by zentechen » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 5:53 AM UTC

Way too many Microsoft haters. BE OPEN MINDED. C# is a tool, like computer, as long as used to solve real world problems, who cares who's behind it? It's like how Apple fanboys are saying Object-C is the most awesome programming language in the world, totally biased.

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by ittan » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 6:00 AM UTC

This is a good sign of things to come. Changes at Microsoft?

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by lusr » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 6:01 AM UTC

edwinnathaniel wrote: post #40

untog wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NuGet vs Maven seems like a small issue when compared to VS vs Eclipse or even C# vs Java. In the latter two, MS wins hands down. I can cope with NuGet.

With Eclipse, 99% I don't need a mouse to refactor, navigate, build, run unit-tests within Eclipse or outside, and packaged a rather large codebase and its dependencies (3rd-parties or not) and Maven contributes to that significant productivity gain as well. Eclipse recently also introduced an App-Store clone to download plugins and so far I haven't had the need to hunt down plugins from the world wide web (except fo…

If your entire complaint is that you want short-cut keys then look into the Tools | Options | Keyboard configuration. I find raw VS.NET pretty lame in terms of Intellisense, no "jump to file" shortcut, etc. so installing Resharper is a necessity for productivity. But at that point everything is indeed keyboard driven.

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by jasondenizac » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 6:18 AM UTC

edwinnathaniel wrote: post #40

untog wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NuGet vs Maven seems like a small issue when compared to VS vs Eclipse or even C# vs Java. In the latter two, MS wins hands down. I can cope with NuGet.

With Eclipse, 99% I don't need a mouse to refactor, navigate, build, run unit-tests within Eclipse or outside, and packaged a rather large codebase and its dependencies (3rd-parties or not) and Maven contributes to that significant productivity gain as well. Eclipse recently also introduced an App-Store clone to download plugins and so far I haven't had the need to hunt down plugins from the world wide web (except fo…

Visual Studio has a pretty great "app store"-like extension gallery with both free and commercial extensions. VS is pretty customizable, and just like with Eclipse, the productivity gains are well worth the time it takes to become intimately familiar with your IDE.

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by Michiel » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 6:45 AM UTC

jinushaun wrote: post #13

jroseattle wrote: post #10

> start accepting community developed features into their platform Guthrie has done a great job of making developers on the Windows platform feel included and involved. While Microsoft's product offerings slip, Guthrie continues to grow the community of developers, maybe not in quantity but most certainly in quality. Before Guthrie, an offering like today's announcement never would have seen the light of day.

I'm not too familiar with what Guthrie has done for the .NET community, but Hanselman is a famous proponent of open source and making .NET as fun to code in as ruby and python. His coming to MS has changed the way I look at the .NET stack.

And let's not forget Phil Haack (http://haacked.com), who is now working at GitHub. He used to be the program manager at Microsoft for ASP.NET MVC, the first part of the ASP.NET framework to be released under an open source license.

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by eblackburn » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 6:47 AM UTC

I wonder if Phil Haack's exodus was the straw that broke the camels back? Perhaps this was just the leverage Scott Guthurie required to finally get what that team has craved for some time?

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by josephcooney » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 7:30 AM UTC

I wish they'd open-source WPF, so at least if they won't fix the performance issues with it I could fix them myself (or at least coerce someone with enough skill to fix them for me).

Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 7:43 AM UTC

acak wrote: post #6

I am a developer who has leaned towards .NET over the last few projects and one of the things that used to nag me is that the platform is a closed one (and the licensing fees can be a decent part of the cost). I was fairly certain I would migrate off it if the project ever took off seriously. And after seeing the C# love on HN on the poll for favorite programming languages last week, I realized there must be many ena…

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Re: ASP.NET MVC, Web API, Razor and Open Source

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Post by meow » Wed, Mar 28, 2012, 8:51 AM UTC

jongalloway2 wrote: post #47

gfodor wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Uh, there is a big bill coming at the end. You need to keep your system running, even though you now have to pay for licenses, don't you? When building your system during BizSpark, you are unlikely to make architectural choices with respect to software licenses, because they are free. Then you graduate, and you're probably looking at a system that uses way more licenses than it would have if you had to optimize aroun…

Yes and no. The point is that you're not retroactively billed for licenses you got while in the program. Believe it or not, a lot of people seem to think that it's just a delayed payment program. Yes, if you're designing a system that's going to require more than 6 servers you might end up paying for a license. Windows Web Server runs ~$470. But for many businesses, if you're using >6 servers you're likely going to b…

Not to mention, most startups either fail in 3 years or (hopefully) be in a position to pay for the extra servers.