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Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by staticman2 »

umvi wrote: post #173
msp26 wrote: post #84

Almost every paragraph has 2 references to 'safety'. At some point it feels a bit redundant, we get it.

Does "safety" just mean that the LLM output is heavily censored?

In practice, AI safety means the output is censored. But these companies (including OpenAI) seem to attract people who think they are protagonists in Terminator 2, Judgement Day:

"One Anthropic worker told me he routinely had trouble falling asleep because he was so worried about A.I. Another predicted, between bites of his lunch, that there was a 20 percent chance that a rogue A.I. would destroy humanity within the next decade. (Bon appétit!)"

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/technology/anthropic-ai-c...

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Post by digging »

Yizahi wrote: post #65
wiz21c wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

or worse: investors will redefine ethics so to match their profit model.

Anyone who unironically says that they are going to improve/police/redefine ethics should be considered immediately suspect. It's a massive red flag if someone is thinking that their ethics are better than other's. Bonus red flag points if that comes from a corporation. It is also very telling that a corporation called literally "human-first" is developing a tool to displace said humans completely. Now it is possible…

Ai will overtake all human capabilities on the right timescale. (We just don't know whether that's an order of years, decades, or centuries). It... doesn't make sense that an entire human couldn't be perfectly artificially replicated eventually (and then, obviously, surpassed immediately), unless you believe in a non-physical soul which powers some aspect of our conscious thought.

Even if you believe in such a soul, does it govern the non-conscious systems that do almost all of the work of thinking and feeling? If not - once again, artificial systems will certainly surpass natural ones.

In other words, it's not a question of whether humans will always be the masters, but a question of whether the "gods" we create will love us or hate us. Anthropic is aiming for the former.

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nibab wrote: post #199
swamp40 wrote: post #180

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> aren’t that many killer products You've got to be kidding me. Maybe for text. But what about video training neural nets? I could list killer products for days.

There really isn’t a product in text or other modalities that shows me this is a $1T dollar market in 10 yrs (as the valuations would imply). To play devils advocate, even if there were some killer products, value capture seems particularly tricky. There just aren’t any business models that could sustain a market mass of this size. Lots of cool demos and productivity software (mind you with a very narrow definition o…

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Post by nostrademons »

nibab wrote: post #199
swamp40 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> aren’t that many killer products You've got to be kidding me. Maybe for text. But what about video training neural nets? I could list killer products for days.

There really isn’t a product in text or other modalities that shows me this is a $1T dollar market in 10 yrs (as the valuations would imply). To play devils advocate, even if there were some killer products, value capture seems particularly tricky. There just aren’t any business models that could sustain a market mass of this size. Lots of cool demos and productivity software (mind you with a very narrow definition o…

Generative AI is very good at spewing bullshit.

Unfortunately, the upper echelons of society run on bullshit. And so that's exactly why generative AI is revolutionary. The killer app is in separating dumb billionaires from their billions, just like crypto's killer app was. And just like crypto eventually filtered down to separating dumb retail investors from their thousands, generative AI may eventually filter down to generating scams & spam that separate dumb retail consumers from their thousands. That's why the dumb billionaires are interested in it.

A more logical solution might be to not run society on bullshit, but that seems to be beyond the capabilities of most humans.

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Post by atorodius »

alberth wrote: post #31

For those who don’t know, Anthropic has an interesting list of investors: - Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO/Chairman), Series A - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), lead investor in Series B - Caroline Ellison (FTX), Series B - Google, Series C https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anthropic/company_fi... ——— Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

> Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

They claimed to use it back in February: https://www.anthropic.com/index/anthropic-partners-with-goog...

„Anthropic, an AI safety and research company, has selected Google Cloud as its cloud provider“

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Post by devindotcom »

mkl wrote: post #57
alberth wrote: post #31

For those who don’t know, Anthropic has an interesting list of investors: - Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO/Chairman), Series A - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), lead investor in Series B - Caroline Ellison (FTX), Series B - Google, Series C https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anthropic/company_fi... ——— Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

Related from December (but unresolved there): Will Anthropic return the $580M in Series B funding led by SBF? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34111082 Related from June: FTX Halts Sale of Its $500 Million Stake in AI Startup Anthropic https://archive.ph/WR94S Seems like FTX owns that stake, not Bankman-Fried and Ellison? Nishad Singh was apparently involved too: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/y…

I asked Dario this on stage last week. He said the shares are owned by the bankruptcy estate and are being sold/disposed of through that mechanism.

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Post by what_ever »

nerdjon wrote: post #170
logicchains wrote: post #144

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>Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include? They also have a fiduciary duty to their other investors, and going all-in on Google cloud would be a pretty big risk (relative to other cloud providers) given the uncertainty about whether it'll still exist in 5-10 years.

I would say it's less wether or not Google Cloud will exist in 5-10 years (which is still a valid concern). But will specific parts of Google Cloud continue to exist or increase in cost. Things that have happened to GCloud very recently. It just isn't worth the risk to invest in google cloud.

> But will specific parts of Google Cloud continue to exist or increase in cost. Things that have happened to GCloud very recently.

Like what exactly?

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Post by [deleted] »

alberth wrote: post #31

For those who don’t know, Anthropic has an interesting list of investors: - Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO/Chairman), Series A - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), lead investor in Series B - Caroline Ellison (FTX), Series B - Google, Series C https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anthropic/company_fi... ——— Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

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Post by joshuamorton »

NikolaNovak wrote: post #172
jocaal wrote: post #152

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Why wouldn't google cloud exist in 5-10 years? The scale of the project isn't the same as google reader or of their other cancelled projects.

I think that's true and Google cloud as such is unlikely to completely vanish (it may or may not morph significantly and any given service or price isn't necessarily safe) Still, for proper context, google reader may be small but google stadia was big by any scale, with significant datacentre investment, dedicated consumer hardware, exclusive publishing deals, marketing campaigns, etc. And 10 years isn't as long as i…

Stadia existed for a total of 3 years. And downsized significantly after only two.

Google cloud (it's earliest form anyway) launched in 2008. It's older than Drive and Photos. In a year or two, there will be Google employees younger than Cloud is.

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Post by bugglebeetle »

wiz21c wrote: post #42
amackera wrote: post #34

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This sounds nice, and the information on https://www.anthropic.com/company seems to back up your claim, but do you know of anything on Anthropic's corporate governance level that will help ensure this mission is followed (forever)? The profit motive is _very_ resilient. Right now I will take it on face value that it's fuel for the ethical mission, but in the future that might change. It's far (far) more likely that t…

or worse: investors will redefine ethics so to match their profit model.

That already exists and is called Effective Altruism.
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