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Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#11

A bit off topic but what’s an easy to use FOSS WYSIWYG text processor for Linux? I’ve tried OpenOffice and I became frustrated.

OpenOffice is a zombie living on the old name alone. LibreOffice is the "new" (it's like over a decade old i think) current one and e.g. ships preinstalled on big ubuntu images, for instance.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#12

> we find that whitespace changes are not just part of the commits that Apache Open Office has been receiving, whitespace changes make up a substantial amount of the commits added to the repository. wat.

It appears to be true. https://github.com/apache/openoffice/activity

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#13
post #9

Why on earth are we advocating for spamming the software foundation with emails about deprecating OpenOffice?

because someone is changing whitepsaces in the source code and pretending to maintain a stable/done piece of software.

they're looking busy but are actually idle?

this smells like fraud but I ain't cooking so why do I speak of smells?

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#14

> we find that whitespace changes are not just part of the commits that Apache Open Office has been receiving, whitespace changes make up a substantial amount of the commits added to the repository. wat.

I'm really confused about this. It's the slimmest possible veneer, collapsing upon a cursory browse of the commit history. Why put in the time to update at all?

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#16
I think the history recap is somewhat incomplete.

I believe that the death blow which lead to the fork LibreOffice was the lack of trust in Oracle commitment to Open Office and open source in general, after Oracle acquired Sun Microsystems.

Sun indeed had largely reduced its involvement in the project in the last years, and there was the "Symphony incident" [1]. The death blow was when Oracle arrived, started the trial with Google over Java/Android, inherited MySQL and almost killed it, inherited OpenOffice and the future did not look bright anymore [2, in German]

[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20130927072255/https://lwn.net/A...

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20131024094250/http://www.heise....

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#17

Surely if you don't like a project rather than writing open letters and whatnot, you fork it? That's the whole point of open source. That's how gcc project governance got fixed - egcs forked and made the improvements they wanted, won the argument and basically became the main branch. Some of the history is here https://softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_deve...

>> He stared writing the compiler being almost thirty years old. That means at the time when his programming abilities started to decline.

What is that supposed to mean?!

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

#18
post #10

Surely if you don't like a project rather than writing open letters and whatnot, you fork it? That's the whole point of open source. That's how gcc project governance got fixed - egcs forked and made the improvements they wanted, won the argument and basically became the main branch. Some of the history is here https://softpanorama.org/People/Stallman/history_of_gcc_deve...

I mean, this happened a long long time ago. LibreOffice inherited approximately 100% of developer effort. The problem is that Apache is effectively lying about OpenOffice still being a thing, and trapping less-savvy users who aren't aware of this context into an office suite frozen in time in 2014.

Another part of the problem is that the "OpenOffice" brand is still strong. Lot of people continue to talk about OpenOffice and look for it on Google.

Oracle just managed to kill a strong FLOSS brand. But, in some way, the LibreOffice fork energized the community.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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post #9

Why on earth are we advocating for spamming the software foundation with emails about deprecating OpenOffice?

because someone is changing whitepsaces in the source code and pretending to maintain a stable/done piece of software. they're looking busy but are actually idle? this smells like fraud but I ain't cooking so why do I speak of smells?

While doing that to prevent people to find out that LibreOffice is what they are actually looking for. (I can’t help but think this is a conscious effort to harm LibreOffice)

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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post #12

> we find that whitespace changes are not just part of the commits that Apache Open Office has been receiving, whitespace changes make up a substantial amount of the commits added to the repository. wat.

It appears to be true. https://github.com/apache/openoffice/activity

All these commits are so strange. They are all useless "clean up" commits yet they are not done by a bot, there's someone manually making these changes every few days, almost every day actually.

Don't know if he's really trying to make the project seem active, or trying to score a certain number of commits, or if he's just really passionate about cleaning up that codebase all by himself.

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