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Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by ilyt »

pzo wrote: post #25
danaris wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly struggling to come up with a use case for a single iPhone to need more than 300 megabytes per second (2.4Gbps) of bandwidth at any given time. (Noting that 8K video, in fairly un-optimized scenarios, appears to need about 96Mbps—just 12 megabytes per second, or 4% of that "low" bandwidth.) What are you doing, streaming raw, uncompressed video from multiple sources to a single iPhone? If you've got that m…

for iPhones maybe not but for drones or AR devices if you want to stream 4k at 60fps or 120fps then there is a lot of data to send. You could use iPhone as Drone payload for doing some site/construction inspection etc. Same with drones - they can fly very fast so would be nice to stream at 4k@120fps. Drones or iphones can/have many camera including lidar, depthmap (trudepth)

That is only the case if you wanted to stream uncompressed data (which for drones is defeinitely not needed), so VR/AR maybe, anything else it would be a waste.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by ilyt »

pzo wrote: post #25
danaris wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm honestly struggling to come up with a use case for a single iPhone to need more than 300 megabytes per second (2.4Gbps) of bandwidth at any given time. (Noting that 8K video, in fairly un-optimized scenarios, appears to need about 96Mbps—just 12 megabytes per second, or 4% of that "low" bandwidth.) What are you doing, streaming raw, uncompressed video from multiple sources to a single iPhone? If you've got that m…

for iPhones maybe not but for drones or AR devices if you want to stream 4k at 60fps or 120fps then there is a lot of data to send. You could use iPhone as Drone payload for doing some site/construction inspection etc. Same with drones - they can fly very fast so would be nice to stream at 4k@120fps. Drones or iphones can/have many camera including lidar, depthmap (trudepth)

That is only the case if you wanted to stream uncompressed data (which for drones is definitely not needed), so VR/AR maybe, anything else it would be a waste.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by tw04 »

rjsw wrote: post #27
throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

I got 500Mb/s symmetrical fibre installed last month. Not seeing much faster transfer rates from individual servers, I'm guessing most do some traffic shaping. Edit: mistyped G instead of M.

I'm assuming you mean 500Mb/s or are being facetious? 500Gb/s is internet backbone speeds.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by [deleted] »

rjsw wrote: post #27
throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

I got 500Mb/s symmetrical fibre installed last month. Not seeing much faster transfer rates from individual servers, I'm guessing most do some traffic shaping. Edit: mistyped G instead of M.

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Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

ac29 wrote: post #13
agloe_dreams wrote: post #9

What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps. The local church recently had T-Mobile install a 5G antenna array around it. I'm about two blocks away. Over 5G, I get 1.4Gigs down, though my walls, through an entire house between us. But…

>But my Wifi router only gets 650 down with the phone using it as a stand. I cant speak to WiFi, but on the long range wireless stuff I work with the hardware does almost as poorly with signal levels that are too high as signal levels that are too low. Putting your phone literally on top of the WiFi router is likely not going to be a best case test scenario.

Getting too close takes you out of the "far field" and into the "near field"[1] where the device just won't work at all. It's probably actually connecting via reflections from the walls if stuck right on top of the router. You need to be at least 7.5cm away from a 5Ghz router with 15cm antennas to be in the far field, and anything within about 4.5cm will be entirely inside the reactive near field (and have very poor coupling with standard antennas designed for far field use).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by TacticalCoder »

throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

> It was technically possible to wire up entire countries and continents for electricity and phone service, so I doubt there are any technical hurdles in doing the same with fibre.

France is aiming at 100% fiber coverage. I spent some time in a very remote, very rural part of France, far from the closest village... And I had fiber to the home (2 Gbps down // 600 Mbps up).

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by ta1243 »

rjsw wrote: post #27
throw0101c wrote: post #12

The home upgrade that most folks need is a symmetrical fibre optic of some kind, with open-access [1] and either municipal [2] or non-profit at OSI Layer 1/2, with competition at OSI Layer 3. I think at this point 100Mbps would be the minimum, with diminishing returns once you start getting above 1Gbps (but available with XG(S)-PON(G.98(0)7)/NG-PON2(G.989)/HSP(G.9804) and 802.3ca). It was technically possible to wire…

I got 500Mb/s symmetrical fibre installed last month. Not seeing much faster transfer rates from individual servers, I'm guessing most do some traffic shaping. Edit: mistyped G instead of M.

500gbit? That's about 5% of the entire capacity of the London Internet Exchange.

I assume you're using some WDM to split the carrier into multiple 100G nics at each end? Doesn't sound cheap.

What's the onward capacity, I assume your link is directly into a major peering centre.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by throw0101c »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #9

What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps. The local church recently had T-Mobile install a 5G antenna array around it. I'm about two blocks away. Over 5G, I get 1.4Gigs down, though my walls, through an entire house between us. But…

> What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps.

I have an iPhone 12 talking to a Sagemcom 5689E that gets about the same.

Want faster? Get gear that's designed to go faster, i.e./e.g., both ends support 802.11ax (Wifi 6E).

If I upgraded to an iPhone 15 I'd be able to use the 6 GHz signal and probably get higher bandwidth.

Re: EE is working with Qualcomm to add Wi-Fi 7 to consumer broadband hubs

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Post by mastercheif »

agloe_dreams wrote: post #9

What annoys me is this: I have a TMobile iPhone 15 Pro and three Erro Pro 6 units, all with wired backhaul. Over the wire, my fast.com results repeatedly reach ~1.2 Gigs. Over Wifi, from a foot away, my results are around 650Mbps. The local church recently had T-Mobile install a 5G antenna array around it. I'm about two blocks away. Over 5G, I get 1.4Gigs down, though my walls, through an entire house between us. But…

That’s because iPhones (and all other smartphones) use 2x2 mimo WiFi arrays.

The only way you’ll get > 1 GBPS on WiFi is on a device with 3x3 or 4x4 mimo WiFi.

2x2 is used because it’s less power intensive and takes up less physical space in the device.

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