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Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by flagrant_taco »

astrange wrote: post #85
flagrant_taco wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone defends sugar as good for you, but there is a lot of research showing that dietary saturated fats can actually be good for you. Especially if the concern is diabetes, ketogenic diets can be extremely beneficial as the body is burning primarily fat rather than glucose and glycogen.

The crank diet influencers who were previously into saturated fats being good sometimes now think sugar is good because of the influence of a dead crank diet influencer named Ray Peat.

I don't know who Ray Peatis but there are cranks on both sides of any issue. To point to one example that you may have seen and use that to discredit all others isn't doing anyone any good.

I ate keto for a couple years and still generally fall closer to that bucket, though I'm not dealing with any health issues and started eating some breads and carbs again. All the researchers, dieticians, and excercise/fitness coaches I learned from are all still agreed that sugar is bad for you as far as I'm aware. I haven't heard any of them pivot towards saying there are benefits from any meaningful intake of sugars.

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Post by Izkata »

peter422 wrote: post #41
Izkata wrote: post #38

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Article notes that coronaviruses binding to ACE2 receptors in the pancreas could cause this. Binding to ACE2 receptors is done by the spike protein, the same spike protein the vaccines created mass amounts of.

It seems to me that it is irrelevant how many spike proteins the vaccines causes your body to make considering that most of humanity has had a real covid infection by this point. The question would be if vaccine followed by covid infection produced more or less spike proteins (and overall health impact) than no vaccine followed by covid infection. If you assume that hospitalization and death is correlated to overall…

> The question would be if vaccine followed by covid infection produced more or less spike proteins (and overall health impact) than no vaccine followed by covid infection.

The answer is "most likely more" given the IgG4 class switch. ( https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciimmunol.ade2798 )

This is a "stand down" class for allergens, so your body doesn't overreact.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by pfannkuchen »

anon84873628 wrote: post #63
defrost wrote: post #16

Diabetes is complex and a simplistic jump to "Covid directly causes Diabetes" is very likely incorrect. From the article itself: Diabetes risk factors may have been exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic including limited physical activity, increased sedentary behaviors, sleep disturbances, and increased intake of processed foods. and note that diabetes has increased in very specific groups, not generally at the sa…

You should edit your comment to specify that you are referring to Type 2 diabetes. As stated in the article, infection by coronavirus and many other viruses can trigger Type 1 diabetes through autoimmune reactions. (Which I think most people would interpret as "directly causes" for all practical purposes.)

> coronavirus and many other viruses can trigger

Does COVID trigger this at a higher rate than other viruses? Or did the overall rate of viral infection increase due to covid?

I suspect the answers are “we don’t know” and “not substantially”.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by 876978095789789 »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Cooking” at home does not necessarily mean healthier than restaurants. Home cooking for most people uses tons of sauces/cheeses/creams/butter/chocolate/breads/etc loaded with sugar and sat fats.

I don't think anyone defends sugar as good for you, but there is a lot of research showing that dietary saturated fats can actually be good for you. Especially if the concern is diabetes, ketogenic diets can be extremely beneficial as the body is burning primarily fat rather than glucose and glycogen.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5291812/

> A high-fat, high-saturated fat diet decreases insulin sensitivity without changing intra-abdominal fat in weight-stable overweight and obese adults

https://diabetesjournals.org/diabetes/article/63/7/2356/3433...

> Despite comparable weight gain after 49 days, this double-blind trial showed that overeating energy from PUFAs prevented deposition of liver fat and visceral and total fat compared with SFAs. Excess energy from SFAs caused an increase of liver fat compared with PUFAs. Further, the inhibitory effect of PUFAs on ectopic fat was accompanied by an augmented increase in lean tissue and less total body fat deposition compared with SFAs. Thus, the type of fat in the diet seems to be a novel and important determinant of liver fat accumulation, fat distribution, and body composition during moderate weight gain. We also observed fatty acid–dependent differences in adipose tissue gene expression. The significant decrease in pancreatic fat in both groups during weight gain was an unexpected finding that needs confirmation due to the low amounts of pancreatic fat in this lean population.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by timeon »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Cooking” at home does not necessarily mean healthier than restaurants. Home cooking for most people uses tons of sauces/cheeses/creams/butter/chocolate/breads/etc loaded with sugar and sat fats.

I don't think anyone defends sugar as good for you, but there is a lot of research showing that dietary saturated fats can actually be good for you. Especially if the concern is diabetes, ketogenic diets can be extremely beneficial as the body is burning primarily fat rather than glucose and glycogen.

Obviously most people do not need that but sugar is good for quick energy.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by syncbehind »

greendestiny_re wrote: post #120

It saddens me to hear so many young people are having such serious health disadvantages. I wish I could do something for them other than post. I think the actual culprit is stress. I was a stress eater up until late July when I started with strict OMAD/keto. I lost 8kg and reduced waist circumference by 11cm.

>I was a stress eater up until late July when I started with strict OMAD/keto. I lost 8kg and reduced waist circumference by 11cm.

Wow! Congratulations. That's an incredible feat. As someone re-starting this journey, I know it's not easy. Good luck to you :)

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by lettergram »

watwut wrote: post #130
lettergram wrote: post #124

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Sure, glad you did that. Like I said, we were outside in the yard and very active. I can easily imagine plenty of peers & neighbors not letting their kids out to play. That’s how it was where I lived. I’m sure play dates were canceled. I’m sure parents staying at home didn’t get their kids as much exercise as gym class. I’m also confident many parents just gave their kids tablets to entertain them. You mention yourse…

I do not know anyone who would not have kids going outside. Literally anyone. Yes some socialization was cancelled. Some people kept socializing with one or two friend families. Literally no one I know about kept kids inside 24/7 the way you suggested. In general, parents who do put less effort into children were also the ones took lockdowns least seriously - meaning their kids were about as usual minus school.

This isn't hard to imagine.

Imagine you're in NYC, school is closed, gyms are closed, swimming is closed, beaches are closed. You have to work and your kids are home. How do you get them activity? You send your 4 year old down the hall to run around? what exactly?

That's an extreme example, but even in the suburbs I saw a dramatic reduction in available activities & children participating in activities.

Even a 25% reduction in activity for marginal kids (i.e. on the kid of getting type 2 diabetes) would probably push a significant portion over the edge and become diabetics.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by tamimio »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #19
belltaco wrote: post #8

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People also ate out less and had more time to cook meals at home instead of eating highly processed foods bought from supermarkets.

“Cooking” at home does not necessarily mean healthier than restaurants. Home cooking for most people uses tons of sauces/cheeses/creams/butter/chocolate/breads/etc loaded with sugar and sat fats.

In general, it is: I know the ingredients, I know what’s in there, I know there is no old oils is used, I know no MSG is used, or soy or other non healthy ingredients, I know the source of the meat, I know my salad is fresh and wasn’t one of those refrigerated bagged ones, Among others. And that’s compared to restaurants we are not even discussing fast food industry.. not to mention how over-priced plus the 25%tip.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by caeril »

greendestiny_re wrote: post #120

It saddens me to hear so many young people are having such serious health disadvantages. I wish I could do something for them other than post. I think the actual culprit is stress. I was a stress eater up until late July when I started with strict OMAD/keto. I lost 8kg and reduced waist circumference by 11cm.

> I wish I could do something for them other than post.

You can start by making pariahs out of parents of obese children. They are child abusers, full stop. Do not enable them with your friendship or business, just as you would for anyone you know is beating their kids.

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