> I am not anyone that understands the industry and the markets in the way that you do. And so I take seriously when companies are telling me that if this gets disclosed, it’s going to cause competitive harm. Wait. What? An "anti-trust" trial against one of the five trillion dollar company in the world abusing its monopoly power is taken seriously on its claim it could cause "competitive harm"? Catch 22. I guess the…
An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
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Re: An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
#32Never mind sealed sessions - try secret trials. There was a trial in the U.K. a little over a decade ago over whether a certain media mogul was engaging in cartel behaviour - and apart from those parties directly involved in the trial, and a few others such as myself who have come to know about the matter through one of the parties involved, nobody even knows it happened. It was deemed to be in the public interest to…
Why all the secrecy on your part though? I can't see any reason you wouldn't tell us all names involved.
Re: An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
#33Google might just claim a public trial would harm national security … not just clickbait…
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#34The article massively overstates the impact of the 1998 Microsift trial. What Microsoft got was a slap on the wrist that they considered just a cost of doing business. Netscape died, and Microsoft's behavior remained the same. Microsoft didn't blink until acround 2008 when the EU cases finally fined them enough that they blinked. See, for example, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-eu/eu-fines-mic... .
Basically if we had videos of Pichai stuttering and unsuccessfully trying to weasel out of sharp questions in every news report for a couple of weeks that would perhaps open more eyes and hurt Google more than a fine of so many zeroes.
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#35Google might just claim a public trial would harm national security … not just clickbait…
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#36How is this even allowed? Should the judge and overseeing team be punished?
Yeah it blows my mind that the judge has the ability to do this. As the article says he is basically sealing stuff on the basis that Google said it could be "clickbait" if it was in the media. It's early days yet but this is so far shaping up to be the weakest anti-trust trial yet - weaker than Microsoft and many prior trials, because of Judge Mehta. Fuck this guy. Amit Mehta exemplifies the problem with the system,…
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#37How is this even allowed? Should the judge and overseeing team be punished?
> How is this even allowed? Nixon v. Warner Communications (1978) If a company feels the need to reveal their trade secrets in court to make their case, but ultimately wants to maintain protection over the trade secret itself, what option would you provide them? Obama's signature of the Defend Trade Secrets Act in 2016 is also a recent indicator the executive branch has no interest in the breach of trade secrets. It…
I wouldn't give them any options, as they are on trial for a reason. Corporate America can't have its cake and eat it too. Google is a multi-trillion dollar publicly traded corporation, they have significant cultural, political, technological and economic power. They are in court due to abuse of one (or more?) of those powers. Part of the trade off of making your C-Suite, founders, and major shareholders multi-billionaires via public markets is that you have to be accountable to the public.
If you're being sued for abuse of power, you can't just tell the judge "shhh, it's a trade secret, it can't be mentioned in public court, let's keep it so secret that most people don't even know we're in court, much less why we're in court" and expect to get away with it. Or, maybe you can....which is equally if not more disturbing in a democratic society. We're not China.
If you're a mom-and-pop startup or small firm, sure, revealing trade secrets might spell doom for you. But you're not Google. I understand why it's not good to have to reveal trade secrets. But if that trade secret has landed you in court, you need to be accountable to the people that utilize your products, own your stock, do business with you, etc...
Granted, if there is a legitimate national security concern here, I understand the need for secrecy. But I highly doubt there's technology in this case that would rip a massive hole in our national security readiness or long term technology strategy.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yeah it blows my mind that the judge has the ability to do this. As the article says he is basically sealing stuff on the basis that Google said it could be "clickbait" if it was in the media. It's early days yet but this is so far shaping up to be the weakest anti-trust trial yet - weaker than Microsoft and many prior trials, because of Judge Mehta. Fuck this guy. Amit Mehta exemplifies the problem with the system,…
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partially because it doesn't mean anything since India is huge...
Re: An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
#39The article massively overstates the impact of the 1998 Microsift trial. What Microsoft got was a slap on the wrist that they considered just a cost of doing business. Netscape died, and Microsoft's behavior remained the same. Microsoft didn't blink until acround 2008 when the EU cases finally fined them enough that they blinked. See, for example, https://www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-eu/eu-fines-mic... .
He's talking about humiliation from dragging Microsoft's and Bill Gates personal brands in the dirt, not actual penalty adjudicated. Basically if we had videos of Pichai stuttering and unsuccessfully trying to weasel out of sharp questions in every news report for a couple of weeks that would perhaps open more eyes and hurt Google more than a fine of so many zeroes.
Yeah, like Trump's Access Hollywood tape...
At that huge scale whatever topic except for maybe CP ends up becoming a 50-50 split with fans loving the character and his brand even more and haters conversely hating it even more too.
That's because when people that you normally hate side against [insert divisive character] then the choice is to automatically jump on his bandwagon and viceversa. So at such scales it rapidly escalates to a 50-50 split or thereabout.
The best you can do is to have some sort of marginal victory against the character in a winner take all settings (such as an election or a supreme court ruling) and hope it demoralizes him.
Like when Trump lost the Presidency he was demoralized and disappeared for a while, but had he kept his morale high he'd have been the Monday Morning armchair shadow President critiquing and undermining everything Biden did from his Twitter account addressing to the 70M people who voted for him
Re: An analysis of the Google antitrust trial
#40> I am not anyone that understands the industry and the markets in the way that you do. And so I take seriously when companies are telling me that if this gets disclosed, it’s going to cause competitive harm. Wait. What? An "anti-trust" trial against one of the five trillion dollar company in the world abusing its monopoly power is taken seriously on its claim it could cause "competitive harm"? Catch 22. I guess the…
To beat China and their unacceptable values we must become china PS: this was Sarcasm people
This is akin to "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". Special rules for special corporations who cry "trade secrets" when called out for bad behavior. Yuck.