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Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by benterix » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:03 AM UTC

divo6 wrote: post #37

So does anyone know how this works out with Googles investment a few months back?: Announcement "Anthropic Partners with Google Cloud" Feb 3, 2023 - https://www.anthropic.com/index/anthropic-partners-with-goog... "...Anthropic, an AI safety and research company, has selected Google Cloud as its cloud provider. The partnership is designed so that the companies can co-develop AI computing systems; Anthropic will levera…

GCP is notorious for the limited availability of ML instances so I'm not surprised about this announcement.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by jeffreygoesto » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:09 AM UTC

amanzi wrote: post #41

Mxbonn wrote: post #18

I've been using the claude model over the past months and I have to say I usually prefer it over ChatGPT. Some things that impressed me particular are: * It can often give you working urls of images related to your query. (e.g. give me some images to use with this blog paragraph). * It can list relevant publications corresponding to paragraphs, chatgpt often halucinates new papers but claude consistenly gives highly…

You didn't say which version of GPT you prefer it over. My experience of Claude hasn't been good at all - I get obvious hallucinations all the time. Whereas I get pretty consistent accurate results with GPT-4. I just tried again now and asked it about HTMX and Django since I had just been reading an article about it. Claude invented a package called `htmx.django` and a decorator that could be imported called `@hx_req…

Why didn't you let it implement it and start a new project?

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by visarga » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:11 AM UTC

lucgagan wrote: post #33

Mxbonn wrote: post #18

I've been using the claude model over the past months and I have to say I usually prefer it over ChatGPT. Some things that impressed me particular are: * It can often give you working urls of images related to your query. (e.g. give me some images to use with this blog paragraph). * It can list relevant publications corresponding to paragraphs, chatgpt often halucinates new papers but claude consistenly gives highly…

As a counter point, I've been actively assessing feasibility of migrating my experiments to Claude with not much success. Trying to migrate prompts from GPT 4 to Claude often yields half-baked results. Claude seems to require a lot more handholding to get the desired result.

In my information extraction prompts Claude is about as good as GPT-3.5 but slower. Its only advantage over OpenAI is context length. GPT-4 is better, 3.5 is faster.

But I am using it often to chat with PDFs and it works great for that. I would not want to give this ability up.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by boeingUH60 » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:14 AM UTC

alberth wrote: post #31

For those who don’t know, Anthropic has an interesting list of investors: - Eric Schmidt (former Google CEO/Chairman), Series A - Sam Bankman-Fried (FTX), lead investor in Series B - Caroline Ellison (FTX), Series B - Google, Series C https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/anthropic/company_fi... ——— Question: why isn’t Anthropic using Google Cloud, given who their past investors include?

It's plausible that FTX customers will be made whole from the Anthropic investment profits in addition to the $7bn or so recovered so far...that'll be wild!

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by alphabetting » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:16 AM UTC

benterix wrote: post #71

divo6 wrote: post #37

So does anyone know how this works out with Googles investment a few months back?: Announcement "Anthropic Partners with Google Cloud" Feb 3, 2023 - https://www.anthropic.com/index/anthropic-partners-with-goog... "...Anthropic, an AI safety and research company, has selected Google Cloud as its cloud provider. The partnership is designed so that the companies can co-develop AI computing systems; Anthropic will levera…

GCP is notorious for the limited availability of ML instances so I'm not surprised about this announcement.

Google says over 70% of generative AI unicorns are GCP customers though maybe they're multicloud or just there for TPUs.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by inoop » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:17 AM UTC

anonylizard wrote: post #56

alberth wrote: post #43

> ” AWS will become Anthropic’s primary cloud provider” How much of this becomes creative accounting? AWS gets to reduce its profits by making this investment, which means they pay less taxes. Then with AWS’ own money, they will get to recognize this as new AWS cloud revenue continuing their sales growth. While all during which they also get an equate stake. This seems like a creative way for AWS (and Microsoft with…

There's no creative accounting. Amazon reduces its profits, and pays less taxes, true. They also do get sales growth. But nowhere is this "AWS' own money". AWS has to pay Nvidia for the chips. Nvidia is worth 1 trillion for a reason.

AWS has its own line of AI accelerators called Inferentia that offers reduced cost versus Nvidia, but it's often a pain to make stuff work because everything is written for CUDA. Inferentia team spends a lot of time porting OS models to their hardware for customers to use (e.g. through SageMaker).

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by georgeecollins » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:18 AM UTC

baq wrote: post #3

If this means alexa isn't a pet rock that can only reliably set timers, good for them.

Voice computing is in the trough of despair. Tech companies over-invested in them. They aren't the next iphone (nothing will be). But like millions of homes we have two that we use for a few things. Expect improvements at a disappointing pace, leading to improved utility.

Many dunked on the apple watch, but it keeps getting better. Meta's next headset will be disappointing to some but have an audience and keep improving. etc.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by jsemrau » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:19 AM UTC

digitcatphd wrote: post #6

jatins wrote: post #5

At this point Apple is the only BigTech without any major investment in LLMs. Which isn't too surprising, they have historically never jumped on the shiny new thing until the dust clears off.

I do suspect they are making internal investments. The latest iOS update has substantially improved speech to text capabilities.

Given that I unsuccessfully applied for AIML Annotation roles at Apple for years, I also believe they are building similar tech with internal talent.

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by Tiberium » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:20 AM UTC

modeless wrote: post #13

wodenokoto wrote: post #8

I’ve never heard of anthropic. Who are they and what do they offer that’s worth that investment?

They have Claude 2 which is up there with GPT-4 and PaLM 2 as one of the top three publicly accessible large language models. And presumably those billions will train Claude 3.

I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you - Claude 2 is worse than GPT-4 in almost all tasks I've tried it with, the two things that it's better at than GPT-4 are the context window and the dataset being from early 2023 instead of late 2021 (for 3.5 Turbo/4).

Re: Amazon will invest up to $4B in Anthropic

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Post by manmal » Mon, Sep 25, 2023, 10:23 AM UTC

gwd wrote: post #46

IanCal wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alexa and google home have been excellent for discovering new music. You ask them for a song you know and they play either a very weird cover version or something entirely different.

Siri has been helpful for increasing my 3-year-old's vocabulary: he'll ask it to play a song he knows, and Siri will pick out an explicit R&B piece full of all sorts of words he's never been exposed to. (Seriously -- there's a song with the title "The ABC Song", which as one might expect, is about the ABCs. But it's impossible to get it to play that via voice control; it only wants to play "abcdefu", which is not the…

I asked Siri today about the current week number (in German), and it failed. Just when I thought I've lowered my expectations enough, Siri can do one "better".