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Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by VancouverMan »

myko wrote: post #21
hedora wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Were these communities not affected by the lockdowns? Surely, remote learning and cancellation of intramural sports, etc, led to worse average fittness.

How so? Ate more healthily at home, walked more, got outside more generally. Physical health likely improved with lockdowns.

That would really depend on where somebody was located.

All across Canada, for example, the government-imposed and "public health"-imposed restrictions were remarkably harmful to the health of the general public.

It varied somewhat by region, but pretty much all fitness facilities, including gyms, were shut down for extended (many months, if not longer) periods of time. Some never reopened. Losing access to facilities like those was a big problem in a country where harsh winters can seriously limit outdoor activities for several months each year.

There were also curfews and other restrictions that prevented or severely limited people from doing exercise and other physical activity outside.

The lockdowns and restrictions also destroyed or seriously harmed many businesses, which resulted in significant stress for the employees, owners, suppliers, and others affected. They suffered financial harm, job losses, business losses, and so on.

The forced masking and forced shots caused significant stress for those who were lucky enough to not lose their jobs or businesses.

Hospitals, medical clinics, and doctors cancelled or significantly delayed huge numbers of procedures and screenings.

Those are just a few examples. It went well beyond those. I didn't touch on the harm from the education-related restrictions, for instance.

Between 2020 and 2023 in Canada, blatantly idiotic "public health" policies caused far more people far more physical and mental harm than any virus did.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by clipsy »

erickf1 wrote: post #72
clipsy wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's the one thing that 200 million people did in the USA, particularly children, that had an unknown potential for adverse health effects and that occured at just the same time and that was new and different? It had to be something different... something new, because this has never happened before.... especially among children. Just think about it. Yes, the vaccine. Yes, of course, because nothing else different…

It sounds like you made up your mind that the vaccine could not possibly be at fault. Nothing to see here, right? You will not even consider the possibility? Not even a 1% probability? Note I said nothing about religion, so not sure why you bring that up here when speaking of the probabilities of potential cause, but I believe your stand requires significant faith. I do not consider covid to be harmless. Many died, i…

> It sounds like you made up your mind that the vaccine could not possibly be at fault.

No, I specifically indicated that I was sympathetic to concerns that a rushed vaccine might have unexpected side effects; I simply did not agree with your belief that the vaccine was the only major change during the time period we're discussing.

> Nothing to see here, right? You will not even consider the possibility? Not even a 1% probability?

This is nothing but an emotionally-driven continuation of the previous claim. Of course I'm willing to consider that the vaccine has serious side effects -- show me the data, and show me it in full context (meaning we also consider the vaccine's impact on the effects of Covid infection).

> Note I said nothing about religion, so not sure why you bring that up here when speaking of the probabilities of potential cause, but I believe your stand requires significant faith.

"Quasi-religious" because the assumption that Covid couldn't have caused this outcome is invented from whole cloth.

> I do not consider covid to be harmless. Many died, including my own family members. We are talking about diabetes among children. Children were hardly impacted by covid. But many did take the vaccine. Food for thought.

So at last we've reached the standard conspiracy theorist endpoint: "I'm just asking questions!" And instead of providing an ounce of data to support your argument, you've -- predictably -- provided a pound of wild accusations and obfuscation.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by [deleted] »

doubled112 wrote: post #13
belltaco wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People also ate out less and had more time to cook meals at home instead of eating highly processed foods bought from supermarkets.

I made countless "boredom orders" that were nothing but junk. I can't be the only one.

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Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by erickf1 »

sp332 wrote: post #57
erickf1 wrote: post #54

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More kids got Covid than got the vaccine.

Point taken, and I do not dismiss the potential. It would be prudent to consider all the new things and not dismiss either without careful review. Most kids suffered very few ills as a result of having covid compared to adults. Diabetes among children is a very rare thing, not even a blip on the radar for children (until now). Also, if we want to say that covid caused an increase of type 2 diabetes among children (no doctor is saying this by the way... neither is the WHO)... what is that evidence? I mean, is there a historical precedence that demonstrates that having one illness to trigger an entirely different illness? For example, do survivors of cancer tend to get diabetes... or did the survivors of the black plaque experience a sudden increase of diabetes... etc... I do not believe that to be the case. I'm not discounting it... I do not believe their to be such a treasure trove of past cases that can be pointed to as models to consider. But, worth a look. My concern is more of the unwillingness I see in so many people to consider the potential of all the options on the table. No one seems to really want to talk about, the other option. All medicines cause issues over time. Take a tylenol every day for 2 weeks and see what happens to you (please, don't do it). How much more something entirely new and experimental.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by astrange »

flagrant_taco wrote: post #46
lotsofpulp wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Cooking” at home does not necessarily mean healthier than restaurants. Home cooking for most people uses tons of sauces/cheeses/creams/butter/chocolate/breads/etc loaded with sugar and sat fats.

I don't think anyone defends sugar as good for you, but there is a lot of research showing that dietary saturated fats can actually be good for you. Especially if the concern is diabetes, ketogenic diets can be extremely beneficial as the body is burning primarily fat rather than glucose and glycogen.

The crank diet influencers who were previously into saturated fats being good sometimes now think sugar is good because of the influence of a dead crank diet influencer named Ray Peat.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by astrange »

LastCovidWave wrote: post #76
ianlevesque wrote: post #23

Let’s fix this. There’s funding already allocated to improve ventilation in schools. Since the coronavirus is endemic we’re going to be dealing with these increased risks for decades. Why can’t we get this done? Let’s actually save the children for once.

How about do something to help it now instead of claiming it's endemic which it definitely is not. Clean air great. Doing something now to stop the damn spread, better. There is no living with the pandemic.

It's endemic and impossible to get rid of. This is demonstrably true simply because animals can catch it, and we can't do anything about that.

And, of course, it's still wherever it originally came from.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by clipsy »

haldujai wrote: post #68
clipsy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What research?

Lifestyle related research, especially diet, is often low quality but as you asked: Physical Activity: https://www.mdpi.com/1660-4601/18/5/2235 https://bmjopensem.bmj.com/content/bmjosem/7/1/e000960.full.... https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000368702... Diet: https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/15/15/3494 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41430-021-00897-3 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii…

Thanks, that's a lot of reading to get through but it's interesting that we see such changes in activity and diet versus the OP article's finding that major health statistics haven't noticeably moved.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by astrange »

erickf1 wrote: post #84
sp332 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More kids got Covid than got the vaccine.

Point taken, and I do not dismiss the potential. It would be prudent to consider all the new things and not dismiss either without careful review. Most kids suffered very few ills as a result of having covid compared to adults. Diabetes among children is a very rare thing, not even a blip on the radar for children (until now). Also, if we want to say that covid caused an increase of type 2 diabetes among children (no…

> Take a tylenol every day for 2 weeks and see what happens to you (please, don't do it).

That is safe (-ish).

It's ibuprofen that's harmful taken chronically. Tylenol just kills you if you overdose.

The reason it says not to take it for that long on the bottle is that if you need it, there's probably something badly wrong with you.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by haldujai »

XorNot wrote: post #40
fbdab103 wrote: post #4

>Rates of type 2 diabetes were 62% higher (IRR, 1.62) in 2020 to 2021 than in 2016 to 2019. The incidence of type 2 diabetes rose from 14.8 to 24.7 per 100,000 person-years over that time. That is a huge jump. Is it possible there was more widespread testing of at risk populations? If they are simultaneously reporting no notable changes in average BMI, my knee jerk thought is populations cannot change that quickly.

You can be a Type 2 diabetic for a fairly long time before you get a clinical diagnosis though. I wonder if the increased focused on health and seeing the doctor simply hit the throttle on a bunch of people getting the diagnosis sooner rather then later?

Yeah basically surveillance bias, it's mentioned as a possibility in the discussion.

T2D feels like it could be a combination of both, there was certainly an increase in metabolic risk factors as well.

The authors also mention acute stress response may have contributed to increased detection of previously undiagnosed diabetes.

The continuing trend will be interesting to see. For example T1D in the 0-9 group reaches a 5 year low in Q4 2021. I think it's too early to conclude much, we'll better understand the ramifications of the pandemic and virus in another 2-5 years.

> Within KPSC, while there were no initiatives for increased diabetes screening among at-risk patients, the shift to increased virtual care allowed for better electronic monitoring of patients’ health status, which may account for some additional patients with diabetes detected during the pandemic years.

> Acute stress of SARS-CoV-2 infection has been shown to increase blood glucose levels, and individuals with previously undiagnosed diabetes may receive a diagnosis when presenting to hospitals for infection-related care.

Re: Type 2 diabetes rates in US youth rose 62% after Covid pandemic began

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Post by defrost »

anon84873628 wrote: post #63
defrost wrote: post #16

Diabetes is complex and a simplistic jump to "Covid directly causes Diabetes" is very likely incorrect. From the article itself: Diabetes risk factors may have been exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic including limited physical activity, increased sedentary behaviors, sleep disturbances, and increased intake of processed foods. and note that diabetes has increased in very specific groups, not generally at the sa…

You should edit your comment to specify that you are referring to Type 2 diabetes. As stated in the article, infection by coronavirus and many other viruses can trigger Type 1 diabetes through autoimmune reactions. (Which I think most people would interpret as "directly causes" for all practical purposes.)

Thank you for your opinion.

As stated in the article:

    ... and may lead to diabetes.
'May' is a qualifying word and that sentence is immediately followed by:

    Additionally, diabetes risk factors may have been exacerbated during the COVID-19 pandemic including ...
(Which I think most people would interpret as "nothing is entirely certain thus far, it appears to be a complex multifactor kind of thing".)

FWiW I addressed the title and the article's primary focus, Type-2 diabetes, and linked to detailed comparative factor breakdowns for Type-2 diabetes.

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